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Re: Russia blocks ProtonMail

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Post by vageli »

bilekas wrote: post #84
fraktl wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would. It's not Protonmail who's to be blamed for the potential attack and deaths. There are series of events that lead to people deciding to be terrorists. I'd focus on those reasons rather than hotfixing stuff by exposing 99.9% of other Protonmail users. I would never opt in to affect 99.9% of users because of 0.01% of users. We are all educated enough through events in recent history that clearly tell us how sim…

> I would never opt in to affect 99.9% of users because of 0.01% of users Exactly. And thats the only point which needs to be made here. It's like if one person was drink driving and hit someone. saying : "Well now thats it, we need to ban driving".

Yeah, why aren't breathalyzers mandated in every vehicle? Even though we as a society pretty uniformly agree (from the people I've spoken with) that drunk driving is bad in every case, why don't we resort to such extreme measures?

Why don't we just strip prisoners naked and keep them in glass cages? We would certainly need fewer armed guards if that were the case.

Thank goodness we are not there yet.

Re: Russia blocks ProtonMail

#92

Post by _eht »

kragen wrote: post #63
xiphias2 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never understood why police even accepts anonymous bomb tips. They should respond by requiring the person giving the tip to identify himself.

The police want to avoid this scenario: IDIOT ANCHORPERSON COVERED IN MAKEUP: Breaking News: We've just learned that the bombing that killed 152 people in the Podunk Shopping Mall today was known in advance to the police , but they did nothing to inform the public! Now to our reporter on the scene. LOSER IN A SUIT: Hi, this is Rob Harasser, coming to you live from the Podunk Police Headquarters. This is Detective A.…

That was a lot of effort for such an odd, empty, dialogue.

Re: Russia blocks ProtonMail

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Post by kragen »

_eht wrote: post #92
kragen wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The police want to avoid this scenario: IDIOT ANCHORPERSON COVERED IN MAKEUP: Breaking News: We've just learned that the bombing that killed 152 people in the Podunk Shopping Mall today was known in advance to the police , but they did nothing to inform the public! Now to our reporter on the scene. LOSER IN A SUIT: Hi, this is Rob Harasser, coming to you live from the Podunk Police Headquarters. This is Detective A.…

That was a lot of effort for such an odd, empty, dialogue.

Do you agree with me about what would happen in a case like this, and just think I've explained it badly? Or do you disagree with my actual reasoning, and if so, what do you think would happen instead?

Re: Russia blocks ProtonMail

#94

Post by 45ure »

pdimitar wrote: post #66

Well, that in my eyes is a very solid advertising in favour of ProtonMail. And it's not like Russians, Chinese and generally people in countries whose governments are in the habit of censoring the internet aren't used to using Tor and/or VPNs to dodge censorship.

>Well, that in my eyes is a very solid advertising in favour of ProtonMail.

In context of 5/9/14+ eyes, the nomenclature of solid advertising might differ from your interpretation, where perceptions matter ─ ranging from honeypots, compromised Tor exit nodes to dubious VPN providers, absence of warrant canaries to flawed encryption products etc. It is probably best to exercise caution and remain sceptical, rather than start endorsing products, based solely on a single random event.

Re: Russia blocks ProtonMail

#97

Post by the8472 »

golergka wrote: post #57
xiphias2 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never understood why police even accepts anonymous bomb tips. They should respond by requiring the person giving the tip to identify himself.

A chance that an anonymous bomb tip will turn out to be true is very small. But it's not zero. Now, for a second, imagine that it really happened. And you're the official who decided "no, we will not act on this". And this decision is in the records. Does this situation look good to you?

The official wouldn't make the decision on a whim. He'd have risk assessments, policy documents and what not to back him up.

Re: Russia blocks ProtonMail

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Post by kome »

pdimitar wrote: post #66

Well, that in my eyes is a very solid advertising in favour of ProtonMail. And it's not like Russians, Chinese and generally people in countries whose governments are in the habit of censoring the internet aren't used to using Tor and/or VPNs to dodge censorship.

Telegram is blocked in Russia, but WhatsApp still works. Why?

Re: Russia blocks ProtonMail

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Post by throwawaylolx »

Jerry2 wrote: post #85
pdimitar wrote: post #66

Well, that in my eyes is a very solid advertising in favour of ProtonMail. And it's not like Russians, Chinese and generally people in countries whose governments are in the habit of censoring the internet aren't used to using Tor and/or VPNs to dodge censorship.

> Well, that in my eyes is a very solid advertising in favour of ProtonMail. ... if you live in Russia.

Not sure why you're getting downvoted: just because ProtonMail allegedly refused to cooperate with Russia, it doesn't mean they must act similarly when the request comes from a nation that can leverege more diplomatic pressure.

Re: Russia blocks ProtonMail

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Post by mindslight »

_eht wrote: post #92
kragen wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The police want to avoid this scenario: IDIOT ANCHORPERSON COVERED IN MAKEUP: Breaking News: We've just learned that the bombing that killed 152 people in the Podunk Shopping Mall today was known in advance to the police , but they did nothing to inform the public! Now to our reporter on the scene. LOSER IN A SUIT: Hi, this is Rob Harasser, coming to you live from the Podunk Police Headquarters. This is Detective A.…

That was a lot of effort for such an odd, empty, dialogue.

It's a decent illustration of how nobody in that emergent clusterfuck is particularly noble.
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