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How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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> As an Android developer I have no reason to own either of those. Of course you do: Please implement this iOS application/feature in Android . Not being able to run an application from Xcode onto an iOS device severely hampers your career. I have to deal with so many Android developers and their output I absolutely cannot afford the luxury to not run Android apps from Android Studio. I don't think Sign In With Apple…

This isn't really a fair comparison because any OSX user can just download and run Android studio for free, while your average Android programmer would require over a thousand dollars (to get a bottom-level Apple device with the worst specifications, or closer to two thousand+ to get competitive hardware) and then a yearly subscription to XCode at $100/year, and that's without having any actual iPhones to test on as…

Xcode can be downloaded for free, developer accounts are also free. What isn't free is shipping stuff to users in any form unless you're part of a development team.

My first MacBook (used for Xcode that is) costed 250 dollar coupled with a 200 dollar iPad 2 around 2013-2014. The iPad 2 was stolen and the MacBook 2008 kept working until around 2018 but was replaced in 2015.

But the grandparent simply needed to test a login feature that required iCloud. Any iPhone would do.

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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From a user's perspective, I tried "Sign in with Apple" for the first time the other day on Dom Hoffman's new app Byte, and I'm really happy with it. Some benefits:

1. I don't need to remember a password to sign in

2. My real email is never shared with the service I'm signing up for

3. I had a new account in like 3 seconds without providing any personal information

If any Apple employees are reading this, you guys did a great job!

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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> My understanding over the past decade or so has been they've used "standards" to stream, but just the standards Safari had implemented. It's just HLS, which Chrome didn't support

HLS can be rather readily supported with a JavaScript library that works just fine on Chrome. Imagine if Google would just "forget" to keep supporting H.264 on YouTube and only served VP9 unsupported in Safari and iOS.

I didn't want to get into it, but I was going to make the YouTube/Google comparison to keynote streaming an Apple. When YouTube moved off of Flash and added hardware acceleration, Chrome got first and best support with codecs and features compared to any other browser.

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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How much revenue will you generate from supporting Apple users or implementing Apple features? Bottom line is you run a business as a developer and if you can’t afford to spend, maybe a couple hundred bucks then you probably shouldn’t be in business anymore. Companies have no obligation to give you things for free.

On the flip side, 80% of all devices sold are Android and Android devices are the majority of sales, web usage, etc so there is no obligation for any developer to support the minority of devices and users at extreme cost when they can already achieve mass coverage. That razor cuts both ways, and I'd point out that this situation is very similar to how OSX comes with Windows bootcamp, but a Windows 10 machine can't ru…

> On the flip side, 80% of all devices sold are Android and Android devices are the majority of sales, web usage, etc

That's nice if the only thing you do is selling eyeballs with adware. If you're actually looking to make money in sales you'd be a fool to not support iOS. I'd call it an obligation to your wallet.

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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I use a mix of Apple and non-Apple devices. It's a shame that I can't, for example, use Safari on Windows or Android.

There used to be a Safari for Windows. No one used it so Apple dropped support.

Well, there was Mac GUI toolkit for Windows, which Safari and iTunes used, wasn't really Safari for Windows

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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It's different having to buy a device to test a product you are developing for that device. Apple is just gatekeeping access to their API to developers who buy one of their otherwise unrelated products.

> Apple is just gatekeeping access to their API to developers who buy one of their otherwise unrelated products I don't know how that's news for anyone, Apple has been doing this forever and they explicitly chase that goal as far as I know. If you're saying "yeah, I want to support iOS/Sign in with Apple/AirDrop/Screenshare/Any other Apple feature" then you're entering the need of having more things to do with Apple.…

Depends on how you look at it, really.

End users say, "I would like to be able to sign in with xxx." Developers say, "Your OS vendor doesn't want you to."

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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PSA: If you're going to implement Sign in with Apple, PLEASE implement Sign in with Google (and vice versa). This is the EXACT issue we had when Apple Pay/Android Pay came out. The solution was for POS vendors to just implement both, always. SO, that's the solution here.

You seem confused. Apple Pay works using the exact same tech as contactless payment cards, a widely supported standard.

Doesn't matter, you can configure the terminal to block certain issuers, like when you try to tap your Amex and get the "no supported applications" message. ApplePay is considered an issuer like the others.

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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There used to be a Safari for Windows. No one used it so Apple dropped support.

More specifically, Apple never made it good enough compared to alternatives, so no one used it. It eventually died at the hands of its maker.

IMO what killed it was the text rendering. They brought their font smoothing over from Mac OS and that's not what Windows users are acclimated to.

It might be more "correct" in some ways, especially from a graphic design / typography standpoint, but it looks fuzzy when you put it next to ClearType on the same screen.

https://damieng.com/blog/2007/06/13/font-rendering-philosoph...

https://blog.codinghorror.com/whats-wrong-with-apples-font-r...

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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But Apple Pay and Android Pay both use identical underlying technology, don't they? I.e. it's not possible to support one without the other, because they are the same.

By default, supporting one means supporting the other, but in practice, several large chain stores deliberately disabled ApplePay specifically at first, hoping to choke it off. That seems to have failed, and I can't remember the last time I saw a place that took contactless payment but not ApplePay, but it was a thing for a while.

Do you know of a source where I can read more about this (particularly about the stores disabling Apple Pay)? I'm interested in learning more. I was under the impression that any terminal that accepted contactless payments would also work with ApplePay.

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Apple continues to not give any care whatsoever to anything outside their walled garden. For the longest time you couldn't even preview songs on iTunes store without having iTunes. Want to watch their biggest WWDC live? Had to use Safari until last year. Obviously iMessage and FaceTime are complete no-gos outside their walled garden too. This is how they keep people in. They have to close down their walls as tightly…

> This is how they keep people in. They have to close down their walls as tightly as possible, to force people in. And once you're in, they make it as hard as possible to leave. I call old wives tales. I'm a close-to-20-years Apple user. The walled garden has never been a problem, more of a strength (integration, cohesion, etc). Especially today where everything is a subscription, there has never been LESS of a walle…

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