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How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by dylan604 »

eugeniub wrote: post #81
habosa wrote: post #41

I tried to do a Sign in with Apple integration on Android (wanted the app to have the same options across platforms). Testing on Android was next to impossible. To test I needed an Apple ID with 2FA. But SMS 2FA was not good enough, you need the hardware-based 2FA. To get that you need a recent macOS or iOS device. As an Android developer I have no reason to own either of those. Eventually I just had a friend who own…

Not to be that guy but you can get a used iPhone SE for $75, and it should last you a couple years for testing purposes.

Really, you need an iPhone model with each of the iOS versions you want to support on that hardware. If you want to go back to iOS11 up to current, then you need that many devices. Otherwise, because it works on that hardware and iOS combo doesn't mean it will work on a different combo. So it's $75 multiplied by the number of variations you want to support. It adds up quickly. As others have stated, it's just part of the cost of doing business.

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by petercampanelli »

stanferder wrote: post #60
baddox wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think I've ever seen it. I have, however, seen Apple Pay on the web a few times (and in apps many more times), and that has been a great experience.

I don't think I've seen it either. What I have seen are requests for my App Store password on occasion when I launch, say, Google Maps. It's infuriating because when I'm out in the world, I don't have access to my passwords and I don't remember them. It's a sign in to Apple, if not a sign in with Apple, and it's weird because what I'm trying to use is Google's Maps application without signing into anything. What is g…

I think that the point of using Sign In w/ Apple is to prevent you from having to remember more than one password. It is only used when you would have to create/remember a password anyway so it won’t get in your way when you are out an about any more than signing in with Google/Facebook or your own email/password.

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by toasterlovin »

Tepix wrote: post #118

As a user, won't i a) share my data with Apple (i.e. they get to know every time i sign in) and b) makes me dependent on Apple (what happens to my account when i sell all my Apple devices?) ?

> a) share my data with Apple (i.e. they get to know every time i sign in)

They're only requiring this when there are other social login options available. It's not a bid to get access to your private information. It's designed to make it so you're not forced to share your information with Google/FB/Twitter. This existing is strictly better for users.

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by toasterlovin »

alexhayes wrote: post #104

Does anyone have any thoughts on the security (or other) implications of all your email for services in which you sign up using Apple SignIn now being relayed through Apple's mail servers? It seems like a great way for Apple to hoover up a heap information they probably don't need. I also wonder how they are going to combat bounces and send back a usable error message. While they can perhaps do useful things with say…

> It seems like a great way for Apple to hoover up a heap information they probably don't need.

This is not intended as a Platonic ideal of what authentication should be. Rather, it's intended as a better alternative to being forced to log in with Google/FB/Twitter, since those companies for sure aggregate and monetize your private information, whereas Apple probably does not.

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by celeritascelery »

qzx_pierri wrote: post #40

App Devs probably want to soak up as much user info while they can. I don't think I would ever use it, seeing as I'm trying to slowly migrate out of the Apple ecosystem.

Not sure I follow your point. The whole point of “sign in with Apple” is to fight app devs getting more user info then they need.

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by toasterlovin »

eyesbear wrote: post #111

Apple forced some of the companies that rely on Apple’s platform iOS or MacOS to implement this feature, how is that not anti-trust?

Because A) this is good for consumers, and B) Apple doesn't have the market position to force consumers or other vendors to do anything. There is plenty of choice and competition in the smartphone market.

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by celeritascelery »

eyesbear wrote: post #111

Apple forced some of the companies that rely on Apple’s platform iOS or MacOS to implement this feature, how is that not anti-trust?

Because no one has to use it. You can still use any other sign in option including good old email if you want.

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by pcl »

habosa wrote: post #41

I tried to do a Sign in with Apple integration on Android (wanted the app to have the same options across platforms). Testing on Android was next to impossible. To test I needed an Apple ID with 2FA. But SMS 2FA was not good enough, you need the hardware-based 2FA. To get that you need a recent macOS or iOS device. As an Android developer I have no reason to own either of those. Eventually I just had a friend who own…

> SMS 2FA was not good enough, you need the hardware-based 2FA

OT, but Apple is doing the right thing here: SMS is not a robust 2FA solution. A recent discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22016212

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by pwinnski »

rootusrootus wrote: post #158
rhacker wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

PSA: If you're going to implement Sign in with Apple, PLEASE implement Sign in with Google (and vice versa). This is the EXACT issue we had when Apple Pay/Android Pay came out. The solution was for POS vendors to just implement both, always. SO, that's the solution here.

But Apple Pay and Android Pay both use identical underlying technology, don't they? I.e. it's not possible to support one without the other, because they are the same.

By default, supporting one means supporting the other, but in practice, several large chain stores deliberately disabled ApplePay specifically at first, hoping to choke it off. That seems to have failed, and I can't remember the last time I saw a place that took contactless payment but not ApplePay, but it was a thing for a while.
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