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How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by judge2020 »

stefano wrote: post #141
sixstringtheory wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh, that was not my understanding, and your link goes on to state: > not required if...Your app exclusively uses your company’s own account setup and sign-in systems. So there’s no official guidance on the both/and case?

I interpret that as: - If you only have social logins, you must implement apple sign in. - If you only have your own login, you don't need to implement apple sign in. - If you have both apple sign and your own login, you must implement apple sign in.

> - If you have both apple sign and your own login, you must implement apple sign in.

I would think that too, but the text is odd by saying "exclusively"

> Apps that exclusively use a third-party or social login service

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by bloody-crow »

jakobegger wrote: post #128
habosa wrote: post #41

I tried to do a Sign in with Apple integration on Android (wanted the app to have the same options across platforms). Testing on Android was next to impossible. To test I needed an Apple ID with 2FA. But SMS 2FA was not good enough, you need the hardware-based 2FA. To get that you need a recent macOS or iOS device. As an Android developer I have no reason to own either of those. Eventually I just had a friend who own…

> To test I needed an Apple ID with 2FA. Apple make it such a pain in the ass to get Apple IDs. For example, they block emails from small domains. So I can't use my company email address to get an apple ID.... and I found that out by googling cryptic error messages, they don't even tell you. They don't want you to have multiple Apple IDs, so you need to store the credentials of your main Apple ID on your build server…

This is news to me. My apple ID is on my personal domain (Google Apps) with only one email address on it, and it works fine. Could it be a recent change?

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by avianlyric »

criley2 wrote: post #159
clay_the_ripper wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How much revenue will you generate from supporting Apple users or implementing Apple features? Bottom line is you run a business as a developer and if you can’t afford to spend, maybe a couple hundred bucks then you probably shouldn’t be in business anymore. Companies have no obligation to give you things for free.

On the flip side, 80% of all devices sold are Android and Android devices are the majority of sales, web usage, etc so there is no obligation for any developer to support the minority of devices and users at extreme cost when they can already achieve mass coverage. That razor cuts both ways, and I'd point out that this situation is very similar to how OSX comes with Windows bootcamp, but a Windows 10 machine can't ru…

Yet despite all that, we’re still having this conversation and a single iOS feature has hit the top of Hacker News.

While Android may make up the majority of devices worldwide, Apple devices are still very popular among wealthy clients (anyone living in the west would meet this criteria), which is ultimately the part of population business care about most.

Simply put, supporting Apple devices is very profitable. No company is going to leave money on the table due to niche ideological concerns.

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by notrandom »

jandrese wrote: post #39
fetus8 wrote: post #14

I've seen "Sign in with Apple" exactly once since iOS 13 launched. I am kind of surprised it's not being rolled out more widely. The first app I've seen and used it with was Byte (the Vine successor) over this past weekend.

Is there any good reason to do the Sign In With ? I never take that option if there is anything else available. They don't need to see my signins on other sites, why should I just give it to them? For a few sites where it is utterly unavoidable I make one-off twitter accounts instead, because Twitter doesn't require your phone number to make an account and doesn't have a "only one account per person" policy I think.

Twitter does require your phone number to make the account sometimes. (I suppose if it can’t determine enough about you.) Recently I was able to make one, only to be locked out a few minutes later until I “confirmed my identity” by providing a phone number.

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by pwinnski »

eyesbear wrote: post #111

Apple forced some of the companies that rely on Apple’s platform iOS or MacOS to implement this feature, how is that not anti-trust?

Apple forced nobody to implement this feature UNLESS they were already using another social media login option.

It is possibly an antitrust issue in an alternate universe in which our government still cares about antitrust issues, but since it's a net win for users, it might be a tough case to make.

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by capableweb »

ubercow13 wrote: post #146
capableweb wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why should anybody need to buy an iPhone to develop an android app? You don't, you can perfectly develop an android app without owning an iphone BUT, if you're using features from another ecosystem, let's say something like an authentication system that has requirements, you have to fulfill those requirements, otherwise skip the feature. Same goes if you want to support hardware-level U2F, you're gonna have to buy…

It's different having to buy a device to test a product you are developing for that device. Apple is just gatekeeping access to their API to developers who buy one of their otherwise unrelated products.

> Apple is just gatekeeping access to their API to developers who buy one of their otherwise unrelated products

I don't know how that's news for anyone, Apple has been doing this forever and they explicitly chase that goal as far as I know.

If you're saying "yeah, I want to support iOS/Sign in with Apple/AirDrop/Screenshare/Any other Apple feature" then you're entering the need of having more things to do with Apple. That's the cost of joining and leaving the ecosystem they created for themselves.

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by pwinnski »

celeritascelery wrote: post #167
eyesbear wrote: post #111

Apple forced some of the companies that rely on Apple’s platform iOS or MacOS to implement this feature, how is that not anti-trust?

Because no one has to use it. You can still use any other sign in option including good old email if you want.

Not true. If you use any other social media signing, you must also support Sign In With Apple. You can, however, continue to use good old email alone.

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by DavideNL »

camillomiller wrote: post #33
fetus8 wrote: post #14

I've seen "Sign in with Apple" exactly once since iOS 13 launched. I am kind of surprised it's not being rolled out more widely. The first app I've seen and used it with was Byte (the Vine successor) over this past weekend.

The deadline to make it mandatory for apps and that use google and Facebook is still a few months away if I recall correctly

Yes, that's what i read also... so hopefully in a few months all apps that have 3th party logins like Google and FB are required to add SiwA and we will see a spike in popularity too...

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by axoltl »

criley2 wrote: post #159
clay_the_ripper wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How much revenue will you generate from supporting Apple users or implementing Apple features? Bottom line is you run a business as a developer and if you can’t afford to spend, maybe a couple hundred bucks then you probably shouldn’t be in business anymore. Companies have no obligation to give you things for free.

On the flip side, 80% of all devices sold are Android and Android devices are the majority of sales, web usage, etc so there is no obligation for any developer to support the minority of devices and users at extreme cost when they can already achieve mass coverage. That razor cuts both ways, and I'd point out that this situation is very similar to how OSX comes with Windows bootcamp, but a Windows 10 machine can't ru…

That's slightly dishonest, as iOS has a ~50% market share in the US. Ignoring half of the US market seems a poor choice.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/266572/market-share-held... https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/united-sta...

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by OrgNet »

jandrese wrote: post #39
fetus8 wrote: post #14

I've seen "Sign in with Apple" exactly once since iOS 13 launched. I am kind of surprised it's not being rolled out more widely. The first app I've seen and used it with was Byte (the Vine successor) over this past weekend.

Is there any good reason to do the Sign In With ? I never take that option if there is anything else available. They don't need to see my signins on other sites, why should I just give it to them? For a few sites where it is utterly unavoidable I make one-off twitter accounts instead, because Twitter doesn't require your phone number to make an account and doesn't have a "only one account per person" policy I think.

Do you signup with your self-hosted email?
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