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Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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Post by RaceWon »

Twixes wrote: post #198
vunie wrote: post #189

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Compared to illegal mass surveillance programs that remain running to this day, and a witty intelligence head who remains free after lying under oath, this is a shinning success that should be celebrated. Hopefully other nations follow their lead one day.

Turkish authorities don't have global tech giants to tap into, but worry not, they're monitoring the internet very closely. In fact, they arrest people over tweets criticizing their rule. [0] And of course they block Wikipedia country–wide, over what Donald Trump would call "fake news" (as he does with news outlets revealing embarrassing facts about him or his administration). Not an example to be followed by any gov…

> Donald Trump would call "fake news" (as he does with news outlets revealing embarrassing facts about him or his administration).

CNN is fake news. Period... there no debate about this fact. Their agenda, their reporting and most importantly their bent--is totally one sided. Unless of course President Trump is Actually A Plant that Putin Knew Would win the election despite Never winning Any other office--a feat which had never been done before. Tulsi is also a "Russian Asset", just ask Hillary... And here I was thinking she was a Patriot who served in a War Zone.

Free your mind. The Matrix Has You... :)

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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Post by zzuko »

chalst wrote: post #234
akie wrote: post #229

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> The military and the judicial system had to be purged because a religious cult had colonized them Ok, just so we're clear on this: that's ridiculous nonsense, conspiracy theories basically, but you're using it to justify the indefensible actions of a hard-line authoritarian ruler.

While I wouldn't call the Gulenist movement a cult, they certainly engaged in conspiracies. The irony was that their infiltration into the army and civil service was supported by Erdoğan earlier, as a counterweight to the Kemalist establishment. Turkey is the country that the term "deep state" was coined to describe. I don't know what to believe about the so-called coup.

Gulenist movement was certainly a cult, I live in Turkey and been to one of their school. I have the first-hand experience of their brainwashing methods and Gulenist indoctrination.

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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Post by szatkus »

markdown wrote: post #16
EndXA wrote: post #11

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Interestingly, they actually briefly mention something on the topic in the article: > In the time that the block was in effect, we heard from students, teachers, professionals and more in Turkey about how the block had impacted their daily lives. For many students, the block had occurred just days before their final exams.

> For many students, the block had occurred just days before their final exams. So no effect on those students then.

Why? That's the period when most learning happens!

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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Post by oriettaxx »

andrewseanryan wrote: post #252

I couldn’t believe I couldn’t access Wikipedia when I was in Turkey. If Wikipedia is blocked, how many other sites are blocked?

Once you are in a new country, this app is great https://ooni.org/post/ooni-mobile-app/ to know the situation

Its use helps them to collect live information on the list of websites that are blocked in each country

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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Post by sebastianconcpt »

This latest development follows a 26 December 2019 ruling by the Constitutional Court of Turkey that the more than two and a half year block imposed by the Turkish government was unconstitutional. Earlier today, the Turkish Constitutional Court made the full text of that ruling available to the public, and shortly after, we received reports that access was restored to Wikipedia.

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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Post by rolleiflex »

realityking wrote: post #244
rolleiflex wrote: post #170

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That's why I left it separate under an asterisk. Not an expert, but I think what happened is that Emperor Justinian's code remained the base for the Christian law within the Empire until the modernisation, which was pretty much a merge of that tradition with updates pulled from French third republic with the exception of civil law, which was merged in from Switzerland instead. Up until 1851 the largest minority in th…

Turkey is not subject to the European Court of Justice as that’s an EU institution and Turkey is not a member.

My apologies, you are right. There’s even a case from a few years ago where EUCJ decided that it lacks jurisdiction.

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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Post by suifbwish »

justinclift wrote: post #73
suifbwish wrote: post #45

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Make no mistake, new oppressive regimes will arise which make use of the internet as a tool of oppression. It is not without its costs and they are currently unmeasured as we have not seen the effect of children being exposed to this at such young ages as they currently are. What the internet is also doing is dissolving all culture that does not adhere to a central political set of goals. We also have no idea of the…

> What the internet is also doing is dissolving all culture that does not adhere to a central political set of goals. Aren't the various cultural groups that seem to have sprung up online (including social media) a counter point to that?

The internet giving rise to new pseudo cultures, does not counter that it is destroying real world cultures

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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Post by Lambdanaut »

mindslight wrote: post #161
cft wrote: post #144

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When you steal something it means the owner doesn't have it anymore. How is this theft?

Pushers of the paradigm of imaginary property like to misuse the word "theft" to make the plebs identify with their position.

In the same way that all abortions are murder.

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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Post by monadic2 »

erikpukinskis wrote: post #114
monadic2 wrote: post #106

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I’m not sure I buy this. Sure you can have access to the “truth” in the west, but you also see a staggering amount of propaganda/mass manipulation/willful distraction and no easy way of differentiating the two. That said, wikipedia specifically would be a massive loss to anyone.

You’re right that learning to read critically is a challenge, but the idea that just not having access to the written word is somehow better... I guess I’ll put it in your terms: I have a hard time buying that. If your suggestion is that it’d be better to go back to a centrally controlled publishing industry... I also don’t buy that.

Reading critically is hardly a solution to this; you evaluate “truth” based on sources and authorities with internalized misinformation themselves entirely rationally. I don’t have a prescription, and I am certainly against censorship.
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