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Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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Post by kortilla »

TheNorthman wrote: post #164
adventured wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The Soviet Union was responsible for ~80% of german casualties. None of which would have been possible without the extraordinary industrial might of the US that kept the USSR supplied. They had no capacity to fight minus being supplied. Do you know how much territory the European allies had reclaimed in the years of fighting prior to the US invasion of Europe? None. There is no scenario where Nazi Germany gets defe…

> and the USSR leadership openly admitted exactly that privately. This sentence is nonsense. They publicly (not privately) thanked the US for their aid. Besides, your framing of the war is obviously false. The allies had lost the war up until about ~1943, where they started gaining momentum. A turning point I'd like to point out is the Battle of Kursk, in which the Germans for the first time cancelled a major operati…

> The US played their part, but make no mistake in the difference between 11 billion USD and 25 million men

Feeding men into the wood chipper isn’t progress. Fight smarter, not harder.

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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Post by kortilla »

YarickR2 wrote: post #186
adventured wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The Soviet Union was responsible for ~80% of german casualties. None of which would have been possible without the extraordinary industrial might of the US that kept the USSR supplied. They had no capacity to fight minus being supplied. Do you know how much territory the European allies had reclaimed in the years of fighting prior to the US invasion of Europe? None. There is no scenario where Nazi Germany gets defe…

Propaganda at work. USSR didn't _need_ to be supplied; it had resources. Lend lease helped,but wasn't crucial.

> Propaganda at work

It works better if you don’t announce it in advance.

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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Post by sedatk »

newuser12341345 wrote: post #49

This is awesome. I think that edrogan really made a mistake, but I'm glad that they're going back and making things better.When I went to turkey, I was really sad that I couldn't wiki all the cool artifacts that I was seeing. So, I installed a vpn on kubernetes so that really likes VPN. Also, that enabled me to read about the stoic philosopher the roman guy emperorr. It was really cool!

Turkey ISPs throttle or ban foreign VPN services.

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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Post by anticensor »

_v7gu wrote: post #177
insomniacity wrote: post #141

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“DNS queries to all servers are blocked if you try to get a blocked site's IP” Wait, so if I was in Turkey, a request for wikipedia.org to my ISP DNS server would not only have failed, but caused all my other queries to fail as well? For how long?

A funny method to circumvent the block was to visit wikimedia. As long as your connection was kept alive, you could keep surfing wikipedia like it wasn't blocked at all!

This worked well in domestic telecommunications providers. Universities implemented the block themselves, and you were unable to use the workaround stated in those universities.

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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Post by _wzsf »

sdinsn wrote: post #168
rdiddly wrote: post #132

"... a 26 December 2019 ruling by the Constitutional Court of Turkey that the more than two and a half year block imposed by the Turkish government was unconstitutional." Your takeaways: 1) Turkey has a Constitutional Court. 2) Turkey has a constitution. 3) The court makes rulings and they are carried out. 4) Erdogan did something and it was "checked" and "balanced." Sounds an awful lot like a nation of laws, ruled b…

> guys it was lifted After 2.5 years... Let's not pretend like this is some major success. It's a failure by all accounts that luckily ended up OK.

Sir, this is a news website.

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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Post by Thorrez »

cnst wrote: post #210
Thorrez wrote: post #196

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I never said it's necessary. But there are certain risks from supporting the old versions. Take a look at this table[1]. In the TLS 1.0 and TLS 1.1 columns not a single cipher is listed as secure. Some can be secure with mitigations, but I'm not familiar with the difficulty of those mitigations, and whether the mitigations would have to be serverside or clientside. If clientside, then by blocking old versions, they m…

That's all fine and dandy, but why does it matter? This is not some sort of personal messaging, banking or financial transactions that we're talking about; this is literally an online resource where any anonymous user can come and edit anything they please without any sort of authentication or peer review whatsoever — on English Wikipedia, all edits are immediately shown to all subsequent visitors/readers, even the v…

Yeah, I mostly agree.

The most sensitive thing on Wikipedia I would think is the passwords. People often reuse passwords, so a password stolen from Wikipedia could maybe be reused against the victim's email or bank account.

Another possible sensitive item is the mapping of a username to an email. If there's an edit or account that a government doesn't like, that government might want to find what email is associated with the account, and then use information on that email to arrest the person. (Email accounts often contain phone numbers.) This reminds me of this comment[1], in which a vulnerability in Twitter allowed the Chinese government to map a username to a phone number, and then use that phone number to arrest the person.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21874040

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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Post by puszczyk »

vunie wrote: post #189
sdinsn wrote: post #168

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> guys it was lifted After 2.5 years... Let's not pretend like this is some major success. It's a failure by all accounts that luckily ended up OK.

Compared to illegal mass surveillance programs that remain running to this day, and a witty intelligence head who remains free after lying under oath, this is a shinning success that should be celebrated. Hopefully other nations follow their lead one day.

Whataboutism.

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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Post by martin_a »

duck2 wrote: post #216
onetimemanytime wrote: post #197

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He's destroying the other side completely, whether they are lawyers or government janitors. But in theory courts and military can stop him. He purged the military https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016%E2%80%93present_purges_in... so it's just the court now. Absolute power is dangerous and the mind starts to slip after a while.

It's more complicated than that. The military and the judicial system had to be purged because a religious cult had colonized them, often exerting power for the cult's interests[0] and topping off with the coup attempt in 2016. In turn, the religious cult was allowed (by Erdoğan, with the 2010 referendum) to colonize the military and the judicial system because previously they were colonized by hardliner modernists w…

That "coup" was merely a staged action. Can't tell me a real coup is over in like three hours and nothing happened. Sounds an awful lot like the german "Reichtagsbrand" which led to political cleanings and more.

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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Post by akie »

duck2 wrote: post #216
onetimemanytime wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's destroying the other side completely, whether they are lawyers or government janitors. But in theory courts and military can stop him. He purged the military https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016%E2%80%93present_purges_in... so it's just the court now. Absolute power is dangerous and the mind starts to slip after a while.

It's more complicated than that. The military and the judicial system had to be purged because a religious cult had colonized them, often exerting power for the cult's interests[0] and topping off with the coup attempt in 2016. In turn, the religious cult was allowed (by Erdoğan, with the 2010 referendum) to colonize the military and the judicial system because previously they were colonized by hardliner modernists w…

> The military and the judicial system had to be purged because a religious cult had colonized them

Ok, just so we're clear on this: that's ridiculous nonsense, conspiracy theories basically, but you're using it to justify the indefensible actions of a hard-line authoritarian ruler.

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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Post by CGamesPlay »

decafbad wrote: post #135
kitteh wrote: post #82

Turkey is an interesting country to deal with. For example let's say you are a hosting company in the US and one of your customers is rebroadcasting Turkey television. A turkey govt agency would reach out to you and ask that you terminate that customer. If you refused, they go to the domestic incumbent Telecom (Turk Telecom) and null route your entire company ip addr space. Basically all of turkey won't be able to hi…

That's not the case anymore. They built an application level filter. For example, Wikipedia block was due to http header reading. https wasn't also a solution because of hand-shaking part. Even TOR can be blocked this way but it's reachable through obfs4proxy. Besides that, DNS queries to all servers are blocked if you try to get a blocked site's IP. No hijacking attempt here, as far as I can see. I routed only Wikip…

I brought a Spanish SIM card in and had no problems accessing Wikipedia (or presumably any other site that would have been blocked).
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