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Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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Post by blattimwind »

blfr wrote: post #69
jacquesm wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The real effect is that Turkey will get more and more behind the rest of the world because its citizens do not have access to information. Regimes that block access to the truth are structurally disadvantaging themselves and their citizens in the long run.

It doesn't work like that. The Soviet Union which had some of the most tightly controlled access to information, and didn't have to worry about the Internet, managed to stay at the cutting edge of science and technology, even sometimes outpacing the west. The communist economy couldn't support it but that's a different problem.

Common perception is that Soviet electroncis were generally 10-15 years behind.

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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Post by kitteh »

Turkey is an interesting country to deal with. For example let's say you are a hosting company in the US and one of your customers is rebroadcasting Turkey television. A turkey govt agency would reach out to you and ask that you terminate that customer. If you refused, they go to the domestic incumbent Telecom (Turk Telecom) and null route your entire company ip addr space. Basically all of turkey won't be able to hit any of your customers. Know a few small hosting shops this happened to and saw the emails.

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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Post by duxup »

diminish wrote: post #80
jacquesm wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can leave out the 'potentially'. There is no way that any coup would justify putting this many people in jail.

Somehow most western supported military coups and regimes persist, in South America, Africa, middle East and East Asia. And most of these coups have wide spread support in a wider political panorama. So military coups or uprisings seem to destabilize and stabilize third world. Yet ongoing demonstrations in France and England are usually ignored and violently suppressed without support from elites. I'm curious why

I felt the demonstrations in France got a lot of attention.

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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Post by combodroid »

kitteh wrote: post #82

Turkey is an interesting country to deal with. For example let's say you are a hosting company in the US and one of your customers is rebroadcasting Turkey television. A turkey govt agency would reach out to you and ask that you terminate that customer. If you refused, they go to the domestic incumbent Telecom (Turk Telecom) and null route your entire company ip addr space. Basically all of turkey won't be able to hi…

wow

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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Post by noizejoy »

blfr wrote: post #69
jacquesm wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The real effect is that Turkey will get more and more behind the rest of the world because its citizens do not have access to information. Regimes that block access to the truth are structurally disadvantaging themselves and their citizens in the long run.

It doesn't work like that. The Soviet Union which had some of the most tightly controlled access to information, and didn't have to worry about the Internet, managed to stay at the cutting edge of science and technology, even sometimes outpacing the west. The communist economy couldn't support it but that's a different problem.

I can’t help but wonder how much it really matters, if you have cutting edge technology that nobody gets to use, because your economy can’t get it into enough hands.

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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Post by jammygit »

muznar wrote: post #54

I always wonder what the real effects of these kind of blocks. For even average users of the internet, it was easy to overcome this block by just putting a "0" in front of the domain name. 0wikipedia.org is a clone of wikipedia and it was accessible. WHOIS search shows 0wikipedia domain name was created on 4 May 2017, just five days after the block. I am a Turkish grad student in the US. Whenever I visited Turkey, I…

Imagine the near future when governments become more technically adept and those holes get plugged. These stories are scariest because they utterly prove how eager governments are to control access to information and communications.

Same thing with DRM - its scariest because one day it will work

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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Post by TheNorthman »

blattimwind wrote: post #81
blfr wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't work like that. The Soviet Union which had some of the most tightly controlled access to information, and didn't have to worry about the Internet, managed to stay at the cutting edge of science and technology, even sometimes outpacing the west. The communist economy couldn't support it but that's a different problem.

Common perception is that Soviet electroncis were generally 10-15 years behind.

Common perception is that the US contributed the most to ending WW2 (Not the opinion at the time)

Common perception is also that the US won the space race (Not the opinion at the time outside the US).

Perhaps "common perception" isn't the right metric to go by.

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