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Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

that's assuming they can catch you, which they most likely can't.

with nation-state resources, are there not traffic analysis options that could work?

there are ways of circumventing them - China has very sophisticated traffic analysis options but they are not too hard to get around as long as you're not using one of the big popular VPNs.

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interestingly, they actually briefly mention something on the topic in the article: > In the time that the block was in effect, we heard from students, teachers, professionals and more in Turkey about how the block had impacted their daily lives. For many students, the block had occurred just days before their final exams.

> For many students, the block had occurred just days before their final exams. So no effect on those students then.

Yes, in theory.

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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I always wonder what the real effects of these kind of blocks.

For even average users of the internet, it was easy to overcome this block by just putting a "0" in front of the domain name. 0wikipedia.org is a clone of wikipedia and it was accessible.

WHOIS search shows 0wikipedia domain name was created on 4 May 2017, just five days after the block.

I am a Turkish grad student in the US. Whenever I visited Turkey, I would get surprised by the error page, remember that it was blocked and overcome it by just putting a "0" in the domain name.

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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post #54

I always wonder what the real effects of these kind of blocks. For even average users of the internet, it was easy to overcome this block by just putting a "0" in front of the domain name. 0wikipedia.org is a clone of wikipedia and it was accessible. WHOIS search shows 0wikipedia domain name was created on 4 May 2017, just five days after the block. I am a Turkish grad student in the US. Whenever I visited Turkey, I…

The real effect is that Turkey will get more and more behind the rest of the world because its citizens do not have access to information. Regimes that block access to the truth are structurally disadvantaging themselves and their citizens in the long run.

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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Don't expect it to last for long. As soon as something negative about Erdogan gets posted a loophole will be found and will be banned again. Unfortunately the situation in Turkey is not simple, there's potentially innocent people still in prison since the failed coup attempt, Wikipedia is a small inconvenience compared to prosecution of innocents.

You can leave out the 'potentially'. There is no way that any coup would justify putting this many people in jail.

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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I wonder what will happen (politically) in countries that engage in mass Internet censorship when SpaceX's Starlink constellation goes GA. I've always believed (perhaps naively) that the Internet is a great equalizer for information. Free (as in freedom) and unfettered Internet access seems like one of the few things that could make it incredible difficult for bad and oppressive regimes to operate anywhere in the wor…

Is there even a need for this when existing technological measures work? There's alternate DNS servers, VPN services, TOR bridges, obfsproxy, and shadowsocks. I've even heard that you could get pass the gfw by using a roaming sim card from hong kong.

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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While talking about this, I think it's appropriate to at least mention what that block was about: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berat_Albayrak

For those that didn't pick up on the nuance, this article is about President Erdogan's son in law, and it discusses how he was a big player in selling/smuggling oil from ISIS, so he basically funded terrorism.

It's kind of a bad look for the leader of a country that supposedly was fighting ISIS to have a close relative that is supporting them. So he blocked Wikipedia in his country instead of doing something honest, like acknowledging the bad press, investigating the issue, and stopping his relatives and his country's oil companies from funding terrorism.

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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I wonder what will happen (politically) in countries that engage in mass Internet censorship when SpaceX's Starlink constellation goes GA. I've always believed (perhaps naively) that the Internet is a great equalizer for information. Free (as in freedom) and unfettered Internet access seems like one of the few things that could make it incredible difficult for bad and oppressive regimes to operate anywhere in the wor…

> I've always believed (perhaps naively) that the Internet is a great equalizer for information

Except people can't see the entire internet every day, which leave the information that people actually see in the hands of the curators, just like it always has been.

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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post #57

I wonder what will happen (politically) in countries that engage in mass Internet censorship when SpaceX's Starlink constellation goes GA. I've always believed (perhaps naively) that the Internet is a great equalizer for information. Free (as in freedom) and unfettered Internet access seems like one of the few things that could make it incredible difficult for bad and oppressive regimes to operate anywhere in the wor…

Is there even a need for this when existing technological measures work? There's alternate DNS servers, VPN services, TOR bridges, obfsproxy, and shadowsocks. I've even heard that you could get pass the gfw by using a roaming sim card from hong kong.

These solutions take technical know-how to implement. And often times instructional sites, VPNs, and such solutions are also blocked because they help people engage in "cyber-crime."

So the censorship is effective for >99% of the population, and if you've got one friend that knows how to get around the censorship and starts blabbing about coverups going on in your country, then they sound a lot like a nutjob. And there are also the people that just don't care about the censorship as long as their daily life isn't directly affected.

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