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Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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Common perception is that Soviet electroncis were generally 10-15 years behind.

Common perception about soviet anything is generally wrong, at least in the us.

This one is not. Computers were clones (IBM?), cameras were clones made on equipment brought from Germany, cars were clones of FIAT. (I grew up in USSR, for what it matters).

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

#132
"... a 26 December 2019 ruling by the Constitutional Court of Turkey that the more than two and a half year block imposed by the Turkish government was unconstitutional."

Your takeaways:

1) Turkey has a Constitutional Court.

2) Turkey has a constitution.

3) The court makes rulings and they are carried out.

4) Erdogan did something and it was "checked" and "balanced."

Sounds an awful lot like a nation of laws, ruled by principles and such. Courts always take a while to catch up, just like e.g. investigations and pretty much every process governed by facts. But yeah, cause for some optimism. Lot of yelling here today about the block - guys it was lifted. After a ruling by a court.

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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As a billionaire philanthropist you will still have to align to your home country’s foreign policy, because your billions only have value so far as the State enforces your property rights. So very concretely, if China says "hey US of A, please don’t bring uncensored Internet to my citizens: it would be a shame if all this manufacturing and trade suddenly stopped", and the US gov agrees, then Elon Musk will not provid…

The US government ignores ITU broadcasting restrictions hence VOA. China is also not going to cut back on exports.

VOA gets jammed, no? I'd expect Starlink to get jammed as well if they look likely to become a popular censorship-circumvention mechanism.

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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Turkey is an interesting country to deal with. For example let's say you are a hosting company in the US and one of your customers is rebroadcasting Turkey television. A turkey govt agency would reach out to you and ask that you terminate that customer. If you refused, they go to the domestic incumbent Telecom (Turk Telecom) and null route your entire company ip addr space. Basically all of turkey won't be able to hi…

To be honest, that sounds like the reasonable and fair thing to do when a foreign company is violating your laws on the internet. First tell them to stop, then block them. Not every country has this "safe harbor" concept that the US does, so you may have to take responsibility for the content you host if you want access to those markets.

I like it better than the EU way of threatening to sue companies that are outside of their jurisdictions. I am not a fan of this action, but due to virtue signalers here your comment will be downvoted even more.

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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post #82

Turkey is an interesting country to deal with. For example let's say you are a hosting company in the US and one of your customers is rebroadcasting Turkey television. A turkey govt agency would reach out to you and ask that you terminate that customer. If you refused, they go to the domestic incumbent Telecom (Turk Telecom) and null route your entire company ip addr space. Basically all of turkey won't be able to hi…

That's not the case anymore. They built an application level filter. For example, Wikipedia block was due to http header reading. https wasn't also a solution because of hand-shaking part. Even TOR can be blocked this way but it's reachable through obfs4proxy.

Besides that, DNS queries to all servers are blocked if you try to get a blocked site's IP. No hijacking attempt here, as far as I can see.

I routed only Wikipedia through TOR with a browser extension. With this setup not all DNS queries goes through proxy. So I had to take advantage of CoreDNS' dns-over-tls support.

Because people who knows basic networking and also read English are less than a thousandth of the country, their method works very well enough.

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

#136

"... a 26 December 2019 ruling by the Constitutional Court of Turkey that the more than two and a half year block imposed by the Turkish government was unconstitutional." Your takeaways: 1) Turkey has a Constitutional Court. 2) Turkey has a constitution. 3) The court makes rulings and they are carried out. 4) Erdogan did something and it was "checked" and "balanced." Sounds an awful lot like a nation of laws, ruled b…

Makes sense why Ergodan is attacking the court system.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/18/un-urged-to-ac...

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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The people of Turkey have voted for him right? He improved their economic situation enormously, this is democracy, you get who you vote for.

Except lately the economy has been getting much worse. This is a regular pattern with right-wing populist governments. When they get into power they institute a set of economic policies that lead to wide-spread prosperity in the short term, but in the long-term are a disaster. As far as elections go, the government pretends to be in favor of free and fair elections, but its political philosophy is a set of arguments…

Can you tell me how you classify right wing and left wing?

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

#138

"... a 26 December 2019 ruling by the Constitutional Court of Turkey that the more than two and a half year block imposed by the Turkish government was unconstitutional." Your takeaways: 1) Turkey has a Constitutional Court. 2) Turkey has a constitution. 3) The court makes rulings and they are carried out. 4) Erdogan did something and it was "checked" and "balanced." Sounds an awful lot like a nation of laws, ruled b…

honest question: is it a first / new or was it already the case before ?

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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I always wonder what the real effects of these kind of blocks. For even average users of the internet, it was easy to overcome this block by just putting a "0" in front of the domain name. 0wikipedia.org is a clone of wikipedia and it was accessible. WHOIS search shows 0wikipedia domain name was created on 4 May 2017, just five days after the block. I am a Turkish grad student in the US. Whenever I visited Turkey, I…

The real effect is that Turkey will get more and more behind the rest of the world because its citizens do not have access to information. Regimes that block access to the truth are structurally disadvantaging themselves and their citizens in the long run.

Not convinced that much, I'm sure they have encyclopedia or even local copies of wikipedia. Most of the valuable data is not from 2010s (some maybe) so an out of date pedia is already a lot

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

#140

"... a 26 December 2019 ruling by the Constitutional Court of Turkey that the more than two and a half year block imposed by the Turkish government was unconstitutional." Your takeaways: 1) Turkey has a Constitutional Court. 2) Turkey has a constitution. 3) The court makes rulings and they are carried out. 4) Erdogan did something and it was "checked" and "balanced." Sounds an awful lot like a nation of laws, ruled b…

honest question: is it a first / new or was it already the case before ?

Already the case I'm sure... I'm displaying my ignorance a bit!
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