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Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by snowwrestler » Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 9:25 PM UTC

stanferder wrote: post #58

snowwrestler wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Asking whether they "swung" the election is an unnecessarily high bar. The question is whether they influenced the election, and the answer is a pretty clear yes. Russian hacks of the DNC and John Podesta, and the ensuing leaks, drove front-page headlines and cable news coverage for weeks in aggregate, if not more.

So is it the Russians or the media reaction that made the difference? If I recall correctly one of Greenwald's main theses is that click-thirsty coverage of exciting-sounding stories overwhelmed more substantial topics in the 2016 election.

The Russians definitely found a flaw in the way the U.S. works with political information today, and exploited it for a big effect. And I don't think that flaw is fixed as we head into this election.

So, I agree with Greenwald that a broken media environment made it possible. But I disagree with him that that casts doubt on Russian involvement, or invalidates Russian activity as a topic of national concern.

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by Kenji » Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 9:25 PM UTC

diegoholiveira wrote: post #36

It's important to notice that he's not been charged for publishing those materials. He's been charged for giving instructions to the hackers about targets and contents, like a lider of the hackers. So, it's not a leak, it's a content obtained illegally through a series of crimes.

Like Julian Assange. That's how authoritarian governments go after journalists, by pretending some law was violated in the process of obtaining and publishing the incriminating material.

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by jariel » Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 9:29 PM UTC

AndrewBissell wrote: post #93

jariel wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"l. You can do that shit in Canada" Why would it be legal or even moral to steal property in order to 'embarrass' someone? This is a very slippery slope. Stealing stuff and then hiding behind 'journalism' is problematic to the extent that there is no material, legal, whistleblowing. We have to figure out the lines that can and should be crossed, otherwise it won't be good for anyone.

Your comment reads like Glenn Greenwald did this to steal and publish nude pics of Bolsonaro, as opposed to evidence of his improper collaboration with the judge who paved his way to the presidency by putting Lula in prison.

I wasn't speaking of Greenwald specifically.

But the problem is in your comment 'improper collaboration'.

Who decides what is 'improper' or not? I'd imagine the Republicans think almost everything Democrats do is 'improper' by some measure - can they steal and then publish information?

This is very grey and needs to be cleared up or it will be a really ugly new kind of information war.

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by zweep » Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 9:30 PM UTC

neves wrote: post #119

zweep wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are legal protections in the US for journalists that don't exist de facto or de jure in many other countries.

It is in Brazilian Constitution that explicitly states that journalists can protect their sources. It is political persecution.

Yes, but the Brazilian Constitution is basically a "suggestion" for Jair Bolsonaro, even more than the US Constitution is a suggestion for Donald Trump. Clearly the Brazilian Constitution does not have the protection of force, which is ultimately what gives a law its existence.

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by piadodjanho » Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 9:31 PM UTC

In case someone is wondering how they hacked Telegram.

They used caller id spoofing and a telco vulnerability.

1. Change your phone ID and try to login on Telegram;

2. Telegram will send an SMS with an authentication number followed by a phone call to the actual mobile phone;

3. To avoid the message going through, spams the victim with many VoIP calls;

4. The Telegram call will be recorded on the missed call voice messages;

In Brazil, you can listen to the recorded messages calling your own number. Surprisingly, the telco only checks if the calling number was equal to the called number.

5. Again, with the call id spoofing, call your own number.

6. Now you have access to the victim's Telegram (past conversations and contact list)

7. ???

8. Profit.

EDIT: I translated part of the transcription used to accuse GG in another thread.

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 9:32 PM UTC

roynasser wrote: post #97

crazynick4 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was under the impression that people voted for Bolsonaro because they are fed up with a corrupt system. Lula de Silva (who actually was massively popular) was jailed for "corruption" in Operation Car Wash. However, as we now know thanks to Greenwald, this anti-corruption fight was corrupt in itself, and the person overseeing the investigation was cooperating with the prosecutors to strengthen their case. And this s…

Some would argue that when you have changing governments (as opposed to a single "party"/"faction" for a long time), the level of corruption tends to be more in check... (this is because new governments don't have "the reigns" on every different area of the government, and also because this bolsters the opposition to "dig for dirt"... The level of corruption in Brazil now adays (as a product of the nearly 4 mandates…

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Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by driverdan » Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 9:34 PM UTC

padseeker wrote: post #7

Last time I checked Glenn Greenwald was saying that Russian interference had nothing to do with results of the last election and Hillary lost because she was a bad candidate. I have no quibble with the bad candidate line, but it's pretty clear that the Russians we're actively involved trying to get Trump elected. I think some people have legitimate disagreements with Glenn.

I downvoted you because your comment has nothing to do with the charges at hand. No one said you have to agree with everything Greenwald says.

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by testvox » Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 9:40 PM UTC

airstrike wrote: post #84

Before commenting, let's all pause for a minute and recognize that: (a) we're not versed in Brazilian Law (b) we don't really have all the facts of the case (c) "charged with" and "found guilty of" are vastly different things (d) one's opinion on the morality of a certain alleged episode has no bearing on its legality

So do they not have jury nullification in Brazil?

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by kragen » Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 9:46 PM UTC

testvox wrote: post #128

airstrike wrote: post #84

Before commenting, let's all pause for a minute and recognize that: (a) we're not versed in Brazilian Law (b) we don't really have all the facts of the case (c) "charged with" and "found guilty of" are vastly different things (d) one's opinion on the morality of a certain alleged episode has no bearing on its legality

So do they not have jury nullification in Brazil?

Dude, Brazil wasn't an English colony. They don't even have juries, much less jury nullification.

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by logicbombr » Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 9:50 PM UTC

zorked wrote: post #118

airstrike wrote: post #84

Before commenting, let's all pause for a minute and recognize that: (a) we're not versed in Brazilian Law (b) we don't really have all the facts of the case (c) "charged with" and "found guilty of" are vastly different things (d) one's opinion on the morality of a certain alleged episode has no bearing on its legality

(c) "charged with" and "found guilty of" are vastly different things To be fair this is the most important comment in this thread. Greenwald was charged by a prosecutor who belongs to the same organization whose misbehavior he exposed, despite not being a target of the investigation. Said prosecutor already pulled a similar trick before. The government, who just a few days ago was forced to fire a secretary who liter…

is it possible to someone to be charged by a prosecutor that NOT belongs to the same organization whose misbehavior he exposed? I understand that everyone in Brazil are charged by Ministerio Público.

What you are saying is: as Greenwald exposed supposed misbehaviour (are you a judge?) by some prosecutors them he can't be prosecuted anymore, which gives him immunity to commit all kind of crimes he wants to.

Unbelievable!!!