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Letting slower passengers board airplane first is faster, study finds

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Re: Letting slower passengers board airplane first is faster, study finds

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Post by disbshdns »

twojacobtwo wrote: post #363
disbshdns wrote: post #315

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They’re not babies. They just don’t get it. The totality of the commitment is lost on them. What’s new is that they also just don’t care.

Or, as I have heard from multiple friends who have chosen not to or can't have children(due to ethical concerns or lack of money), they understand completely and expect that parents take responsibility for the commitments they made without pushing the problems onto everyone else.

Good for them for not wanting kids?

I’m not pushing anything into anyone. But just try to push me aside because I have kids!

My kids have just as much right to public spaces as anyone else. If it offends you that the kid acts in a way befitting a kid that’s your problem.

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Post by disbshdns »

simonskoog wrote: post #424
mapgrep wrote: post #414

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>it's just that it aligns with a value we share to not, ever, be a problem for other people It’s a bit late for that; you’ve already gone through infanthood, toddlerhood, and childhood and benefitted from the patience and generosity of more strangers than you will ever know. Now you imply that perhaps parents and their children should try to not affect others negatively. I think by and large they do, but to the exten…

> It’s a bit late for that; you’ve already gone through infanthood, toddlerhood, and childhood and benefitted from the patience and generosity of more strangers than you will ever know. Now you imply that perhaps parents and their children should try to not affect others negatively. I think by and large they do, but to the extent they do affect others this way, you owe some debt of patience, and are you so sure it’s…

Look, to some extent we’re all ASD. I hate crowds. I get exhausted being in places where people are having thousands of loud conversations.

I’ll complain that I hate people. But you know what? I’m the one with the problem. Not them. They have every right to be and do as they please. If I don’t like crowds, I can easily avoid them by doing my errands some other time.

Point is, we cannot have society change it self to accommodate every whim. Your friend is ASD, it sucks but that’s just the way his (our) life is.

Re: Letting slower passengers board airplane first is faster, study finds

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Post by glennpratt »

jacobolus wrote: post #385
glennpratt wrote: post #302

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> If you’re getting off with your family you should just wait for everyone else Uhh, no. First of all, we aren't slow, second kids have tiny bladders and third when did childless folks become such fragile babies?

> kids have tiny bladders Very small kids have diapers. Planes have bathrooms. > when did childless folks become such fragile babies? Huh? I have a 10 month old and a 3 year old. I am offering advice based on my personal experience. It’s a lot more pleasant for both us and everyone else if we wait for faster groups to clear out first. After sitting on a plane for 2–12 hours, waiting an extra 5 minutes is not a big de…

Edit: sorry for being needlessly combative.

> Very small kids have diapers. Planes have bathrooms.

I have a 5 and 9 year old and fly regularly. I don't know if you've considered the amount of time that can elapse from seat belt sign on for landing to deplaning. Nevermind a turbulent flight.

And trying to use the bathroom at the rear of a plane that just arrived isn't really going to smooth the deplaning process.

But like I said, my family is not slowing anyone down, we're usually faster because we're ready and the adults organized the kids while we waited for our turn.

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Post by y_tho »

joegahona wrote: post #339
kortilla wrote: post #271

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Yeah, and the personal item is supposed to go under the seat in front of you.

Often the "personal item" is another suitcase. If given the position of power, I would decree that if your carry-on or personal item has wheels on it, it's not a carry on and must be checked.

I´ll get my duffel bag. Hope I don´t bump into anyone already in their seat.

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Post by kyllo »

lonelappde wrote: post #489
kyllo wrote: post #230

This reminds me of the book The Goal by Eli Goldratt. It's fictional, but there's a story about a boy scout troop that goes on a hike, and there's an overweight kid named Herbie who hikes the slowest. The troop leader teaches everyone that the entire group as a whole will reach the top faster (and stay together) if they keep Herbie in the front. When you have a bottleneck step in your process, the whole end-to-end pr…

Did you work at Amazon? It's a cult classic hazing ritui there. Managers tell reports to read it and then joke about terrible a novel it wrapped around a few cute stories like that one and the paperclip passing game.

Ha! No, Microsoft--I was in the hardware supply chain group for a while, and The Goal was a common conversation topic there. I heard a few people call process bottlenecks "Herbies."

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Post by glennpratt »

dang wrote: post #478
glennpratt wrote: post #302

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> If you’re getting off with your family you should just wait for everyone else Uhh, no. First of all, we aren't slow, second kids have tiny bladders and third when did childless folks become such fragile babies?

Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar, regardless of how provoked you were by another comment, or feel you were. It just makes things worse. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Sorry! Thanks for moderating things.

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Post by bsanr2 »

tomrod wrote: post #440
bsanr2 wrote: post #394

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Most people will agree that there's a collective obligation to safeguard children. Not so much for a collective obligation to go out of our way to make parenting more convenient for those who can afford to raise kids AND to purchase plane tickets for all of them. Particularly when, IME, the people most fervent about the well-being of their own children tend to care little about other's. I assume you're, say, an arden…

I would support equalization of funding subject to purchasing power parity. That's a bit of a red herring to the conversation, and I'm a bit confused why that is the filter you choose to engage rather than policy for ensuring proper nutrition, UBI, or any other economic impact, or why my non-response intra-sentence to your comment online is a purity test for said support. But taking a step back, even if parents are i…

I don't think it's a red herring. It gets right to the heart of the very personal entitlement parents have, to the exclusion and detriment of people around them. I asked (rhetorically, admittedly) your stance on school funding equity because it's an issue where there can be no question that the status quo is something along the lines of, "Fuck you, getting mine, and also let me have some of yours," which is roughly analogous to what you've held is appropriate for the issue at hand.

We could make things better, and it would require maybe not having your kids in particular at the front of the line. That doesn't mean society is absolutely thwarting your endeavor to be a good parent; it's a recognition that while children are important, they are not the only, nor the altogether and at all times, primary concern of civilization. I mean, if you want to define human nature solely by the effort to advance one's progeny... I mean, even then, you have to admit that the well-being and conceens of the adults who support that effort are also important. Evolution is the process of surviving the day, serially.

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Post by simonskoog »

disbshdns wrote: post #492
simonskoog wrote: post #424

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> It’s a bit late for that; you’ve already gone through infanthood, toddlerhood, and childhood and benefitted from the patience and generosity of more strangers than you will ever know. Now you imply that perhaps parents and their children should try to not affect others negatively. I think by and large they do, but to the extent they do affect others this way, you owe some debt of patience, and are you so sure it’s…

Look, to some extent we’re all ASD. I hate crowds. I get exhausted being in places where people are having thousands of loud conversations. I’ll complain that I hate people. But you know what? I’m the one with the problem. Not them. They have every right to be and do as they please. If I don’t like crowds, I can easily avoid them by doing my errands some other time. Point is, we cannot have society change it self to…

Yes, but venting frustration does not mean that you are actually requesting a societal change, so you can't create arguments assuming everyone complaining really think things should be different. People have every right to voice frustrations.

But, people do not have every right to be and do as they please in public. We have norms and laws and they can change and do vary. There are a lot of limitations specifically on being loud.

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Post by plussed_reader »

tsimionescu wrote: post #99
plussed_reader wrote: post #83

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Reminds me of loading onto a Ryanair flight in Edinburgh; the labyrinth walk to the door that put you onto the tarmac a short walk from the stairs. Loaded back to front, and since there are no assigned seats on Ryanair it's just like getting on the (air)bus.

Whenever I've flown Ryanair, the seats were assigned and printed on the boarding pass (but you had to pay if you wanted to chose your seat). When was this time that they weren't?

2008

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Post by mcmoose75 »

donarb wrote: post #240
mcmoose75 wrote: post #19

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Overhead bin space is the big reason- give the somewhat (last 5 years-ish) changes to charging for the 1st checked bag, many who would have otherwise checked a bag are bringing on as carry-ons. Many flights I've been on in past several years have had a real shortage of bin space, meaning getting on board early to make sure you're not the odd man out IS important (waiting for baggage carousel can take an extra 45 minu…

> waiting for baggage carousel can take an extra 45 minutes A few years ago, Houston airport authorities dealt with complaints that it took too long for travelers to get their bags after their flights. When the airport was built, the bag pickup locations were very close to the arriving gates, over time the airport got busier and people ended up waiting longer. The fix was to move the pickup locations further from the…

Aha- that's a good anecdote.

Regardless of the perceived/ actual waiting time, however, it's MUCH better not to have to wait for a bag at all- going straight to curb or car rental and skipping that step is the only way to fly.

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