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Tesla Surges Above $500, Leaving Analyst Targets in the Dust

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Re: Tesla Surges Above $500, Leaving Analyst Targets in the Dust

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Post by Robotbeat »

clouddrover wrote: post #384
Robotbeat wrote: post #335

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To the degree that some major motor companies are still investing in hydrogen for passenger vehicles, Tesla might actually be undervalued. Hydrogen makes no sense for cars. Zero sense whatsoever when we have decent BEVs. Synthetic petrol makes more sense technically than hydrogen but has all the non-climate drawbacks of fossil fuels and is twice as expensive (with extremely low round-trip efficiency compared to a tru…

> Its very low efficiency strongly limits its mass market uptake The Taycan is an expensive sports car. It will never have mass market uptake regardless of its efficiency. The Macan is Porsche's best selling model because it's the cheapest Porsche you can buy and it's a compact SUV which is a popular body style. > expensive charge, slow charge even with the 800V The Taycan comes with three years of free charging on s…

Hey, Taycan isn't a terrible vehicle. I like the direction Porsche is going; almost all other conventional car makers completely don't understand EV (but Porsche does).

But it ain't a whooping for the Model S, particularly when it is refreshed this year. And the low powertrain efficiency is part of the reason it's no Tesla killer.

Re: Tesla Surges Above $500, Leaving Analyst Targets in the Dust

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Post by kingnothing »

omnimus wrote: post #338
kingnothing wrote: post #307

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As a counter point to this, gas in Atlanta costs $3.11 for premium. A BMW 3 series gets about 30mpg. Driving 1000 miles per month in the BMW costs $104 in gas. GA Power offers $.01 per kilowatt hour rates in the middle of the night. A Tesla Model 3 gets 2.91 miles / kWh. Driving 1000 miles per month in the Tesla costs $3.44. Fueling the Tesla costs $1200 less per year than the BMW if you drive an average number of mi…

If 1000 miles / month is an average US mileage... well then maybe there needs to be some way how to lower that.

Apparently it's closer to 14k miles / year. I underestimated at 12k.

Re: Tesla Surges Above $500, Leaving Analyst Targets in the Dust

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Post by bdamm »

OrangeMango wrote: post #387
bdamm wrote: post #355

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Condo associations that want to solve this can. It isn't a technical problem and it won't slow down EV adoption very much. It is kind of like adding satellite TV and plenty of HOAs have figured that one out despite not having it wired into the building. Yes, specific organizations will be slower than others, but as the demand ramps up more and more people will want this solved in their own HOA and they'll start getti…

People on our condo board have owned Teslas for years. We are a building that is out in front of it. Coax cable doesn't carry 240V power. This isn't something you can hand-wave away.

The why isn't the board voting for an easement for overhead distribution and a single junction off the service connect to power the charger network?

Re: Tesla Surges Above $500, Leaving Analyst Targets in the Dust

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Post by clouddrover »

Robotbeat wrote: post #391
clouddrover wrote: post #384

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> Its very low efficiency strongly limits its mass market uptake The Taycan is an expensive sports car. It will never have mass market uptake regardless of its efficiency. The Macan is Porsche's best selling model because it's the cheapest Porsche you can buy and it's a compact SUV which is a popular body style. > expensive charge, slow charge even with the 800V The Taycan comes with three years of free charging on s…

Hey, Taycan isn't a terrible vehicle. I like the direction Porsche is going; almost all other conventional car makers completely don't understand EV (but Porsche does). But it ain't a whooping for the Model S, particularly when it is refreshed this year. And the low powertrain efficiency is part of the reason it's no Tesla killer.

The Taycan out accelerates, out manoeuvres, and out performs the Model S on track. You don't need to believe me on that, just see the results:

https://www.thedrive.com/news/30467/watch-a-porsche-taycan-t...

The Taycan has a two speed gearbox to help with both phases of acceleration:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uum9nffLasQ

The Taycan is a performance sports car and the Model S isn't. The Taycan is doing what it is built to do. What do you think the Taycan is built to do?

Re: Tesla Surges Above $500, Leaving Analyst Targets in the Dust

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Post by rhacker »

cagenut wrote: post #170
rhacker wrote: post #151

While this is great for a variety of reasons... I'm lamenting on the cybrtrck. Initially after the release I was kinda excited. Lately I have been wishing it just looked like a regular truck and did things that regular trucks can do - especially since I'm big on RVs: Cab over (fuck out of luck there). Fifth wheel? (Bed is probably not standard and probably no one will have the knowledge of putting in the rails or a p…

thats not how you ship a v1 what is it about cars that make all software engineers turn into junior product managers.

It would seem that all the other EV pickup startups in this space are thinking about what regular trucks do first.

Re: Tesla Surges Above $500, Leaving Analyst Targets in the Dust

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Post by Robotbeat »

clouddrover wrote: post #394
Robotbeat wrote: post #391

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Hey, Taycan isn't a terrible vehicle. I like the direction Porsche is going; almost all other conventional car makers completely don't understand EV (but Porsche does). But it ain't a whooping for the Model S, particularly when it is refreshed this year. And the low powertrain efficiency is part of the reason it's no Tesla killer.

The Taycan out accelerates, out manoeuvres, and out performs the Model S on track. You don't need to believe me on that, just see the results: https://www.thedrive.com/news/30467/watch-a-porsche-taycan-t... The Taycan has a two speed gearbox to help with both phases of acceleration: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uum9nffLasQ The Taycan is a performance sports car and the Model S isn't. The Taycan is doing what it is…

They used an old version of the Model S, the P100D, not the current Performance version which is available today. Not a like-for-like test. (And if you want to compare not-yet-available versions with a similar price, you really should be comparing to the trimotor Model S.)

And yeah, Model S is a more practical car than the Taycan yet still holds its own (in spite of Porsche's complex gearing system due to Tesla's electric powertrain advantage).

I'm glad a worthy challenger to the Model S has finally been produced. Tesla is having to up their game to stay ahead, which is good. Competition between these two will push electric cars far ahead of fossil cars even at the highest levels of performance.

Re: Tesla Surges Above $500, Leaving Analyst Targets in the Dust

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Post by clouddrover »

Robotbeat wrote: post #396
clouddrover wrote: post #394

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The Taycan out accelerates, out manoeuvres, and out performs the Model S on track. You don't need to believe me on that, just see the results: https://www.thedrive.com/news/30467/watch-a-porsche-taycan-t... The Taycan has a two speed gearbox to help with both phases of acceleration: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uum9nffLasQ The Taycan is a performance sports car and the Model S isn't. The Taycan is doing what it is…

They used an old version of the Model S, the P100D, not the current Performance version which is available today. Not a like-for-like test. (And if you want to compare not-yet-available versions with a similar price, you really should be comparing to the trimotor Model S.) And yeah, Model S is a more practical car than the Taycan yet still holds its own (in spite of Porsche's complex gearing system due to Tesla's ele…

Ugh, please. The results are right in front of you. Don't cling to these articles of faith that they somehow didn't use the "true" or the "proper" Tesla.

Re: Tesla Surges Above $500, Leaving Analyst Targets in the Dust

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Post by aerovistae »

iamaelephant wrote: post #128
aerovistae wrote: post #101

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No! No, no, no. This will not happen. It's a total pipe dream. These ancient companies, so set in their ways, who have been incrementally making tiny adjustments to their cars for decades, will never "suddenly leap forward" to come out with something more advanced and more appealing than a Tesla. Tesla isn't the blackberry here, the other car companies are! You're basically the guy in 2008 saying "sure Apple has an a…

This comment comes across as wishful thinking and not thoughtful analysis.

People have been saying this same shit for a decade and yet here we are in 2020 and still "the legacy manufacturers will be catching up ANY DAY NOW, just need a LITTLE more time."

Re: Tesla Surges Above $500, Leaving Analyst Targets in the Dust

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Post by manicdee »

clouddrover wrote: post #377
manicdee wrote: post #363

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Tesla has already sold every car they can manufacture, and their entry price is $40k-ish in the USA. Other manufacturers are limiting how many BEVs they produce, and still managing to sell most of the ones they build even though they are universally objectively worse than any Tesla offering. Tesla Model 3 is the best selling BEV in every market it participates in (not sure about numbers compared to PHEVs). It is sell…

> Tesla Model 3 is the best selling BEV in every market it participates in No, that's incorrect. The Model 3 is the second best seller in France: https://ev-sales.blogspot.com/2019/12/france-november-2019.h... It's the third best seller in Germany: https://ev-sales.blogspot.com/2019/12/germany-november-2019.... And it's the 9th best selling BEV in China: https://ev-sales.blogspot.com/2019/12/china-november-2019-up...

Chinese Model 3 production only started in November. Check back in February, you’ll find it’s the highest selling vehicle (perhaps by model, though I am betting also by manufacturer).

Europe-wide, Tesla Model 3 is top of the charts by a wide margin. The articles you linked mentioned this, France and Germany are behind because the vast demand for Tesla in Netherlands and Norway is sucking all the supply up before France and Germany get a seat at the table.

As Fremont production improves and the German Tesla factory opens, we’ll see that lead grow as Europeans switch to BEVs en masse to escape the cheating ICE manufacturers.

Re: Tesla Surges Above $500, Leaving Analyst Targets in the Dust

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Post by clouddrover »

manicdee wrote: post #399
clouddrover wrote: post #377

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> Tesla Model 3 is the best selling BEV in every market it participates in No, that's incorrect. The Model 3 is the second best seller in France: https://ev-sales.blogspot.com/2019/12/france-november-2019.h... It's the third best seller in Germany: https://ev-sales.blogspot.com/2019/12/germany-november-2019.... And it's the 9th best selling BEV in China: https://ev-sales.blogspot.com/2019/12/china-november-2019-up...

Chinese Model 3 production only started in November. Check back in February, you’ll find it’s the highest selling vehicle (perhaps by model, though I am betting also by manufacturer). Europe-wide, Tesla Model 3 is top of the charts by a wide margin. The articles you linked mentioned this, France and Germany are behind because the vast demand for Tesla in Netherlands and Norway is sucking all the supply up before Fran…

It's not the best selling EV in the biggest EV market, China. Your claim was false. Cop to it instead of making excuses.
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