VVVVVV’s source code is now public, 10 year anniversary jam happening now

Post by Jare » Fri, Jan 10, 2020, 6:50 PM UTC

rob74 wrote: post #36

royjacobs wrote: post #23

An interesting quote from the build instructions: " In particular, the Windows version absolutely positively must be compiled in Debug mode, with /RTC enabled. If you build in Release mode, or have /RTC disabled, the game behaves dramatically different in ways that were never fully documented (bizarre softlocks, out-of-bounds issues that don't show up in tools like Valgrind, stuff like that)." I wonder if people will…

Considering other quotes, like this one: "For example, maybe my worst programming habit is declaring temporary variables like i, j and k as members of each class, so that I didn’t have to declare them inside functions (which is annoying to do in flash for boring reasons). This led to some nasty and difficult to track down bugs, to say the least." I wish those people the best of luck :)

Post by SquareWheel » Fri, Jan 10, 2020, 6:52 PM UTC

joshuamorton wrote: post #105

jordigh wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point of insisting what "open source" means is that we want to ensure the freedoms that open source guarantees. If we don't insist on this definition people will start pushing licenses that forbid commercial use and other things, as this license forbids, and we'll embrace it because we think "ah, open source!" And yes, when you coin a term, you also get to say what that term means. That's the whole point of coini…

You're arguing about linguistic prescriptivism vs. descriptivism. Is the definition of the term what the coiner says, or is it how it is commonly understood? A lot of people are going to disagree with you if you claim that prescriptivism is somehow more correct.

Post by dang » Fri, Jan 10, 2020, 6:58 PM UTC

JoshTriplett wrote: post #95

ddevault wrote: post #10

This is really great! I wish they wouldn't call it "open source", though. It looks like a source-available license: https://github.com/TerryCavanagh/VVVVVV/blob/master/LICENSE.... If Terry is reading this, please correct your article. The correct terminology is important! Open source is defined by the OSD, which this license doesn't qualify for: https://opensource.org/osd Kudos for releasing your game's source, thoug…

Thank you for doing this. Could a mod please change the HN title to match the new article title?

Post by alvarosevilla95 » Fri, Jan 10, 2020, 7:00 PM UTC

SquareWheel wrote: post #114

joshuamorton wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're arguing about linguistic prescriptivism vs. descriptivism. Is the definition of the term what the coiner says, or is it how it is commonly understood? A lot of people are going to disagree with you if you claim that prescriptivism is somehow more correct.

I'm very curious how many of those insisting on the strict definition also pronounce .gif as GIFF, despite the creator clearly insisting it's JIFF. Words change. The coiner has no more real authority over them than anyone else.

Post by joshuamorton » Fri, Jan 10, 2020, 7:03 PM UTC

jordigh wrote: post #111

joshuamorton wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're arguing about linguistic prescriptivism vs. descriptivism. Is the definition of the term what the coiner says, or is it how it is commonly understood? A lot of people are going to disagree with you if you claim that prescriptivism is somehow more correct.

It is different for technical terms. It's perfectly fine if I told a novice mathematician, "no, wait, that's wrong, a Riemannian manifold is..." We have a precise, technical definition of open source precisely so we can judge when a license satisfies the legal freedoms that open source demands.