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Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says

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Re: Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says

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At this scale, why not invest in your own datacenter, since you already have a lot of servers to maintain? I understand you have to use Office 365, but what is the value prop of Azure to you beyond that ?

Haha. Here's another one: "At this scale, why not write your own OS, since you already have a lot of servers to maintain?"

Haha!

Re: Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says

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Firstly let me say that AWS and Azure are in many ways equivalent - there’s nothing you could build in one you couldn’t build in the other. But from the POV of an enterprise AWS requires you to have serious full-time AWS gurus in-house or rely on expensive external consultants. You probably need a whole team just for cost optimisation. Whereas most of what you actually want in Azure can probably be done by your exist…

Ex-MS employee, Azure consultant here. I don't have any experience with AWS or GCP other than some very trivial, getting started stuff. But I really don't think what you say is true. While most of the stuff in Azure has a very familiar feel and intuitive interface (either on the UI or the API level) if you are coming from a MS background, there are still glaring exceptions and you certainly need experienced/certified…

Yes you always need skilled people but the path from on-prem Windows guy to Azure guy is much shorter and easier than the path from say on-prem Red Hat guy to AWS guy.

Re: Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says

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I'm not surprised. The coup at AWS was programmable infrastructure. It's building blocks that fit together in the way that software engineers know and love: APIs. Sure there's a sales bro for the pointy haired boss and a console for the IT technician, but the thing is the API. It's going to be used primarily at engineering-driven companies, where "holy shit this is cool" is actually a factor in the decision. Most of…

> I'd wager that usage of the Azure APIs is almost zero.

I can't speak for anyone else, but we make sure extensive use of the Azure API, both via the 'az' command line tool and through terraform. From what I've heard, read, and had conference calls about, Microsoft treats the API as a first-class citizen.

Re: Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says

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The twist is a lot big companies(Global 2000) are the least cloud savvy, being dragged kicking and screaming out of their data centers. They don't even know what they don't know, and when Azure shows up offering AD which they already use to manage their juggernaut of a domain it feels like home. They haven't even considered lock in yet. The teams that end up managing Azure infrastructure come from a more IT/Networkin…

Transition from premises to hybrid or cloud-only is difficult and costly for big com. Additionally when they're already attached to MS Exchange and AD, Azure is logical decision. UDP loadbalacing is like icing on the cake.

Re: Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says

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will use AWS data and information against those companies. Aren't there laws to prevent this? Say I am a big retailer - target, aldi or some company at that scale using AWS. Are you saying Amazon can look into my database/code etc and learn from it and use that knowledge to compete with me? Shouldn't such a thing be illegal, though it would super hard to prove?

I did some strategy work for a global retailer a few years ago and this kept coming up, they even have a policy that SaaS tools they acquire "can't be hosted in AWS". Their reasoning seemed a bit paranoid, but it wasn't that Amazon would secretly start mining their data there without telling them, it's that this retailer would invest 10's (even 100's) of millions of dollars in tools and infrastructure on AWS and then…

Saw the same with French retailers.

Re: Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says

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I work for a Danish municipality with roughly 10,000 employees. I’m not sure if you know, but our public sector has been competing with Estonia at being the most digitised in the world for a decade. We operate an estimated 300-500 different IT-systems, some of them enterprise sized SAP solutions deployed on old IBM mainframes with multiple layers of APIs to make their fronts somewhat web-based (don’t ask). Others are…

> They aren’t cheap, but they listen to us when we need something

Yet amazingly their interfaces and quality is incredibly horrible. Azure like most other things Microsoft makes feels like a half baked and over fitted platform with serious quality issues.

Re: Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says

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I think everyone here is missing the real reason why big companies want to go with Azure (and smaller companies probably should consider too). No one trusts Amazon to not screw them over. The A to Z in the Amazon logo hurts AWS because big companies are worried Amazon will compete with them (if they don’t already) and will use AWS data and information against those companies. MS has a long history of being a provider…

> MS has a long history of being a provider of tools and not really competing with partners. MS claim to fame was by providing tools to a partner and directly competing with their partner. "In 1985, IBM requested Microsoft to develop a new operating system for their computers called OS/2. Microsoft produced that operating system, but also continued to sell their own alternative, which proved to be in direct competiti…

There's so much more to the IBM/Microsoft OS/2 story than the quote you posted. In fact, there have been books written about it. I'm not sure your quote accurately captures what actually happened over those 5 or so years.

Re: Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says

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Unfortunately, Enterprise deals are more based on sales skills than technology. Companies like Microsoft tend to have multiple ongoing points of contact with their Enterprise customers such as account managers, technical account managers, professional services consultants etc. These points of contact are (hopefully) doing whatever it is the customer wants them to but are also feeding back intel to their (Microsoft's)…

What is wrong with all that? That they implement what the customer wants?

I don't really get this feeling, they implement what some corporate monkey a couple of levels removed from anybody that ever works with Azure wants in out case.

Re: Azure has an edge over AWS at big companies, Goldman Sachs survey says

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MS has established business relationships with large corps to a much greater degree than Amazon. They're already entrenched as nobody's moving away from Windows desktops or Office anytime soon, so the upsell to cloud for them is trivial.

This is the real key. The only notable thing is that Azure was built well enough to play ball against AWS so that the sales team could really work. For developers it seems that Azure tends to settle at a clear #3 behind AWS/GCP for most. It only makes sense that Microsoft would look to carve out an enterprise niche. They seem to have done a decent job keeping their enterprise stuff fresh, I'm honestly surprised they…

I think narration on HN is that Google's Cloud behind Azure and AWS.
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