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‘Tesla killer’ Mercedes EQC flops with 55 units sold in Germany

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Re: ‘Tesla killer’ Mercedes EQC flops with 55 units sold in Germany

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Post by clouddrover »

esotericn wrote: post #17

Because it's a worse car. The absolute minimum bar to hit for a car that's even roughly the same price (say within 30% or so) is the range of the equivalent Tesla. Bear in mind also, that this car would not give you access to Tesla superchargers. I'm currently on a road trip across Europe and if I had to use only the standard chargers it would have been far more logistically challenging. So to make up for that it sho…

> The absolute minimum bar to hit for a car that's even roughly the same price (say within 30% or so) is the range of the equivalent Tesla.

It's not that simple. The Audi e-tron outsells both the Model X and the Model S in Europe:

http://ev-sales.blogspot.com/2019/12/europe-november-2019.ht...

> Bear in mind also, that this car would not give you access to Tesla superchargers.

I always find this mindset strange. A closed charging network is not in your best interest as a driver. The question you should be asking is why can't you charge any EV on Tesla's chargers.

Here is a Volkswagen ID.3 charging side by side with a Tesla Model 3 on Ionity chargers, exactly as it should be:

https://imgur.com/a/Giue5hW

Other charging networks allow Teslas to charge on them, so when will Tesla reciprocate and open their network to other EVs?

Re: ‘Tesla killer’ Mercedes EQC flops with 55 units sold in Germany

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Post by clouddrover »

mcv wrote: post #4
vardump wrote: post #2

Electricity is very expensive in Germany, driving electric can actually be more expensive than gasoline cars.

If that was the reason, Tesla wouldn't be selling there either. For whatever reason, the market has decided that Tesla is preferable to Mercedes.

Tesla is not topping the charts in German EV sales so Tesla versus Mercedes is not the relevant comparison:

http://ev-sales.blogspot.com/2019/12/germany-november-2019.h...

I'd say the Volkswagen ID.3 will top the German EV market this year. It'll be interesting to see its sales figures at year end.

Re: ‘Tesla killer’ Mercedes EQC flops with 55 units sold in Germany

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Post by DeonPenny »

clouddrover wrote: post #31
esotericn wrote: post #17

Because it's a worse car. The absolute minimum bar to hit for a car that's even roughly the same price (say within 30% or so) is the range of the equivalent Tesla. Bear in mind also, that this car would not give you access to Tesla superchargers. I'm currently on a road trip across Europe and if I had to use only the standard chargers it would have been far more logistically challenging. So to make up for that it sho…

> The absolute minimum bar to hit for a car that's even roughly the same price (say within 30% or so) is the range of the equivalent Tesla. It's not that simple. The Audi e-tron outsells both the Model X and the Model S in Europe: http://ev-sales.blogspot.com/2019/12/europe-november-2019.ht... > Bear in mind also, that this car would not give you access to Tesla superchargers. I always find this mindset strange. A cl…

You can charge other EVs on a tesla charge. No company has made it possible yet though. Tesla made their one tech and got ahead. Why the industry steal made their own is beyond me

Re: ‘Tesla killer’ Mercedes EQC flops with 55 units sold in Germany

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Post by clouddrover »

DeonPenny wrote: post #33
clouddrover wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The absolute minimum bar to hit for a car that's even roughly the same price (say within 30% or so) is the range of the equivalent Tesla. It's not that simple. The Audi e-tron outsells both the Model X and the Model S in Europe: http://ev-sales.blogspot.com/2019/12/europe-november-2019.ht... > Bear in mind also, that this car would not give you access to Tesla superchargers. I always find this mindset strange. A cl…

You can charge other EVs on a tesla charge. No company has made it possible yet though. Tesla made their one tech and got ahead. Why the industry steal made their own is beyond me

Tesla uses CCS type 2 combo plugs in Europe. It took them about 4 months to switch over:

https://insideevs.com/news/343728/most-tesla-superchargers-n...

All CCS EVs can already plug in to European Tesla chargers.

The only thing preventing them from charging is Tesla.

Re: ‘Tesla killer’ Mercedes EQC flops with 55 units sold in Germany

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Post by vardump »

gambiting wrote: post #3
vardump wrote: post #2

Electricity is very expensive in Germany, driving electric can actually be more expensive than gasoline cars.

I don't believe that for one second. Electricity is also stupidly expensive in the UK and driving on electricity is still an order of magnitude cheaper than driving on petrol.

Electricity costs 2x in Germany compared to UK.

Also I really doubt it's an order of magnitude (10x) cheaper.

Re: ‘Tesla killer’ Mercedes EQC flops with 55 units sold in Germany

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Post by mcv »

clouddrover wrote: post #32
mcv wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that was the reason, Tesla wouldn't be selling there either. For whatever reason, the market has decided that Tesla is preferable to Mercedes.

Tesla is not topping the charts in German EV sales so Tesla versus Mercedes is not the relevant comparison: http://ev-sales.blogspot.com/2019/12/germany-november-2019.h... I'd say the Volkswagen ID.3 will top the German EV market this year. It'll be interesting to see its sales figures at year end.

What is the "Dutch market black-hole effect" that that article keeps talking about? Is demand for electric cars in Netherland so high that it absorbs all electric cars that get close to it?

Re: ‘Tesla killer’ Mercedes EQC flops with 55 units sold in Germany

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Post by clouddrover »

mcv wrote: post #36
clouddrover wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla is not topping the charts in German EV sales so Tesla versus Mercedes is not the relevant comparison: http://ev-sales.blogspot.com/2019/12/germany-november-2019.h... I'd say the Volkswagen ID.3 will top the German EV market this year. It'll be interesting to see its sales figures at year end.

What is the "Dutch market black-hole effect" that that article keeps talking about? Is demand for electric cars in Netherland so high that it absorbs all electric cars that get close to it?

Dutch subsidies for EVs have changed and are now being reduced year by year starting this year. There was an increase in EV purchases last year to get the maximum subsidy.

Re: ‘Tesla killer’ Mercedes EQC flops with 55 units sold in Germany

#38

Post by toyg »

netsharc wrote: post #28
brumm wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a German, I'm a bit curious why is this being downvoted. I had the exact same thought (two anecdotes don't make anecdata, I know, but), let me tell you why: I just don't think there's a market for this here. No one in my age range (mid thirties) or income level (SWE, comfy living in large German tech focused city) would think of buying a Mercedes Benz, let alone an electric one. For one, these things are expensive…

Merc is actually targeting younger buyers with their newer models, like the A class, which is competing against BMW 1 series, and are in the VW Golf segment (pricier than the Golf obviously). Probably more for trust fund kids...

The A class debuted in the late '90s, and has always been an utterly-overpriced "hot hatch".

Re: ‘Tesla killer’ Mercedes EQC flops with 55 units sold in Germany

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Post by rasz »

typon wrote: post #23
throwaway4220 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

0.30 euro / kwh * 80 kwh = 24 euros to drive 220 miles 220 mi / 16 mpg for GLS 550 (similar size?) = 13 gallons * 5.25 euro/gallon = 72 euro https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_EQC https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/40761.shtml https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/Germany/gasoline_prices

I didn't believe the 0.3 Euro / kWh number at first. That's three times the price I pay in Ontario! I thought Germany was a world leader in producing energy...guess not.

"from brown coal". Germany is a world leader in producing energy from brown coal.

"Today, nearly a quarter of all electricity produced in Germany still comes from burning lignite, often called brown coal, one of the dirtiest fossil fuels, making Germany the _world's leader_ in the mining and burning of lignite, according to the International Energy Agency"

Re: ‘Tesla killer’ Mercedes EQC flops with 55 units sold in Germany

#40

Post by netsharc »

toyg wrote: post #38
netsharc wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Merc is actually targeting younger buyers with their newer models, like the A class, which is competing against BMW 1 series, and are in the VW Golf segment (pricier than the Golf obviously). Probably more for trust fund kids...

The A class debuted in the late '90s, and has always been an utterly-overpriced "hot hatch".

But the 90's A-class were boring looking and surely not targeting young guys...
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