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‘Tesla killer’ Mercedes EQC flops with 55 units sold in Germany

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Re: ‘Tesla killer’ Mercedes EQC flops with 55 units sold in Germany

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Really that highlights another trend I noticed with rivalry and paradigms and "being on the attack". If they have to bill themselves as the foo-Killer they aren't and will almost certainly fail as they don't establish their own niche even, let alone a good reason to choose them. I wonder why it is failing /that/ hard though. Failure to deliver value for their money? SUV + Electric not a good fit for the local market?

>If they have to bill themselves as the foo-Killer

Who labelled it a Tesla killer? I don't see a source in this article. It's simply a Tesla fan being self-congratulatory.

Re: ‘Tesla killer’ Mercedes EQC flops with 55 units sold in Germany

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post #9

I think Mercedes is the wrong manufacturer to try to compete with Tesla. Merc buyers are older folks and flashy people with more money than sense. They don’t care one bit about going green.

As a German, I'm a bit curious why is this being downvoted. I had the exact same thought (two anecdotes don't make anecdata, I know, but), let me tell you why:

I just don't think there's a market for this here. No one in my age range (mid thirties) or income level (SWE, comfy living in large German tech focused city) would think of buying a Mercedes Benz, let alone an electric one.

For one, these things are expensive especially new, which the electric one would be. If you're looking at it from the young-environmentally-conscious angle, I don't think there's any trust towards Mercedes Benz to be doing this for the right 'reasons,' i.e. not actually caring about the environment, or going about it in a bad way.

They are scramblin' to keep up after sleeping through the electrical car revolution and have nothing new to offer. Their approach and entire business model is deeply entrenched in traditional gas cars.

Even if someone like me could afford the car (due to good job and income matched to levels in expensive city), by living in said city, they wouldn't need a car to go anywhere!

I just don't see people who could afford an electric Mercedes buying one because people like that think global warming is a hoax, hate Greta, and buy diesel cars out of protest.

I'm almost surprised they sold that many cars, actually.

Re: ‘Tesla killer’ Mercedes EQC flops with 55 units sold in Germany

#23
post #2

Electricity is very expensive in Germany, driving electric can actually be more expensive than gasoline cars.

0.30 euro / kwh * 80 kwh = 24 euros to drive 220 miles 220 mi / 16 mpg for GLS 550 (similar size?) = 13 gallons * 5.25 euro/gallon = 72 euro https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_EQC https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/40761.shtml https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/Germany/gasoline_prices

I didn't believe the 0.3 Euro / kWh number at first. That's three times the price I pay in Ontario! I thought Germany was a world leader in producing energy...guess not.

Re: ‘Tesla killer’ Mercedes EQC flops with 55 units sold in Germany

#24

Really that highlights another trend I noticed with rivalry and paradigms and "being on the attack". If they have to bill themselves as the foo-Killer they aren't and will almost certainly fail as they don't establish their own niche even, let alone a good reason to choose them. I wonder why it is failing /that/ hard though. Failure to deliver value for their money? SUV + Electric not a good fit for the local market?

> If they have to bill themselves as the foo-Killer Who labelled it a Tesla killer? I don't see a source in this article. It's simply a Tesla fan being self-congratulatory.

Why so bothered TSLAQ?

Re: ‘Tesla killer’ Mercedes EQC flops with 55 units sold in Germany

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

0.30 euro / kwh * 80 kwh = 24 euros to drive 220 miles 220 mi / 16 mpg for GLS 550 (similar size?) = 13 gallons * 5.25 euro/gallon = 72 euro https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_EQC https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/40761.shtml https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/Germany/gasoline_prices

I mean, that's not really a fair comparison. EQC is more like the GLC, perhaps GLE at a stretch, and in Germany you'd usually get it with a 220d diesel, those get 40-50mpg easily.

The Model X uses 22.93 kWh/100 km. Electricity is € .31 / KWH. 22.93 * .31 = € 7.1083 / 100 km

The GLC 200d uses 5.2 L/100 km (best efficiency). Diesel is € 1.266/L. 5.2 * 1.266 = € 6.5832 / 100 km

So yea in DE it may be more cost beneficial to drive diesel than electric. If you get a GLC 300 using gasoline it goes up to € 9.798 / 100 km.

Re: ‘Tesla killer’ Mercedes EQC flops with 55 units sold in Germany

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, that's not really a fair comparison. EQC is more like the GLC, perhaps GLE at a stretch, and in Germany you'd usually get it with a 220d diesel, those get 40-50mpg easily.

The Model X uses 22.93 kWh/100 km. Electricity is € .31 / KWH. 22.93 * .31 = € 7.1083 / 100 km The GLC 200d uses 5.2 L/100 km (best efficiency). Diesel is € 1.266/L. 5.2 * 1.266 = € 6.5832 / 100 km So yea in DE it may be more cost beneficial to drive diesel than electric. If you get a GLC 300 using gasoline it goes up to € 9.798 / 100 km.

I guess it also relies on whether you can get any deal for electricity or not. Here in UK I pay £0.15/kWh, but during the night it goes down to £0.07/kWh. So as long as I can limit charging the car to nighttime, it's actually very very cheap.

Re: ‘Tesla killer’ Mercedes EQC flops with 55 units sold in Germany

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If they have to bill themselves as the foo-Killer Who labelled it a Tesla killer? I don't see a source in this article. It's simply a Tesla fan being self-congratulatory.

Why so bothered TSLAQ?

Why are these baseless accusations allowed on this forum? Is this not against the rules?

1. I'm long TSLA, through a couple ETFs.

2. This is projection. There's a constant parade of accusations of "Big oil FUD" whenever someone says anything remotely negative. Meanwhile, it is known that Tesla, and Elon personally, pay PR firms, private investigators and astroturfers (sorry, "social media influencers") to control narrative. Read the lawsuit depositions and financial disclosures.

Re: ‘Tesla killer’ Mercedes EQC flops with 55 units sold in Germany

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post #22
post #9

I think Mercedes is the wrong manufacturer to try to compete with Tesla. Merc buyers are older folks and flashy people with more money than sense. They don’t care one bit about going green.

As a German, I'm a bit curious why is this being downvoted. I had the exact same thought (two anecdotes don't make anecdata, I know, but), let me tell you why: I just don't think there's a market for this here. No one in my age range (mid thirties) or income level (SWE, comfy living in large German tech focused city) would think of buying a Mercedes Benz, let alone an electric one. For one, these things are expensive…

Merc is actually targeting younger buyers with their newer models, like the A class, which is competing against BMW 1 series, and are in the VW Golf segment (pricier than the Golf obviously). Probably more for trust fund kids...

Re: ‘Tesla killer’ Mercedes EQC flops with 55 units sold in Germany

#29
post #7

Strangely absent from the blog post, or the article on which it is based, is the price of the vehicle. It mentions "numerous Tesla Model 3s", but I suspect that this thing costs more than a Model X. The other factor, of course, is infrastructure. What is the availability of Mercedes-compatible chargers, compared to Tesla? Edit: I stand corrected on the price. I don't know about Germany, but pathartl's quoted US price…

This blog is a Tesla mouthpiece. I'm surprised their articles get voted-up. It's embarrassing. Is the goal to be green, or is it to root for Silicon Valley?

Can you point to some general ideas or specific claims the website promotes that are simply false?

Re: ‘Tesla killer’ Mercedes EQC flops with 55 units sold in Germany

#30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, that's not really a fair comparison. EQC is more like the GLC, perhaps GLE at a stretch, and in Germany you'd usually get it with a 220d diesel, those get 40-50mpg easily.

The Model X uses 22.93 kWh/100 km. Electricity is € .31 / KWH. 22.93 * .31 = € 7.1083 / 100 km The GLC 200d uses 5.2 L/100 km (best efficiency). Diesel is € 1.266/L. 5.2 * 1.266 = € 6.5832 / 100 km So yea in DE it may be more cost beneficial to drive diesel than electric. If you get a GLC 300 using gasoline it goes up to € 9.798 / 100 km.

GLC is a much smaller vehicle than Model X.
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