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Oslo had 0 pedestrian, 0 cyclist, 0 children and 1 driver trafic deaths in 2019

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Re: Oslo had 0 pedestrian, 0 cyclist, 0 children and 1 driver trafic deaths in 2019

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Post by bluGill »

vegardx wrote: post #119
alistairSH wrote: post #114

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In the US, pedestrian signals do NOT signal when it’s safe to cross. Cars almost always have a green in the same direction, meaning they can turn into you. I almost get run over once a month because of this.

Seems like a cultural problem, not a crosswalk light problem. Most people (myself included) automatically slow down when driving into a crosswalk. Our intersections are usually fairly small, so it's hard to build up any speed, even if you wanted to.

There are so few pedestrians that most drivers are not used to looking for them.

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Post by pi-rat »

koheripbal wrote: post #190
pi-rat wrote: post #146

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Seatbelt issue is probably going away. My car will nag the hell out of me if anyone isn't wearing a seatbelt at speeds over 20 km/h. I assume this is true for most modern cars. Part of the population who didn't grow up with seatbelts is aging. I remember my late grandmother hated the seatbelts, they didn't exist when she grew up. Often she would pretend to use the belt, holding it in place by hand so that it looked l…

It will nag you even in the back?

Yes, Hyundai Kona Electric 2019[1]

[1]: https://www.hkona.com/seat_belt_warning_light-28.html

Re: Oslo had 0 pedestrian, 0 cyclist, 0 children and 1 driver trafic deaths in 2019

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Post by brlewis »

alistairSH wrote: post #114
vegardx wrote: post #96

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In Oslo at least, the crosswalks (usually) have lights if there's an intersection, and since there are no laws against crossing on red you are free to do so, as long as you don't create any dangerous situations. I'd argue that the lights are not to improve traffic flow, but to signal pedestrians that it's safe to cross, something sighted, young or otherwise healthy people often take for granted by just looking both w…

In the US, pedestrian signals do NOT signal when it’s safe to cross. Cars almost always have a green in the same direction, meaning they can turn into you. I almost get run over once a month because of this.

In Boston cars are required to yield to pedestrians on turns, and many intersections have signs to remind them of this. That said, it's always a good idea to look and see what cars are actually doing, regardless of what laws and signals say.

Re: Oslo had 0 pedestrian, 0 cyclist, 0 children and 1 driver trafic deaths in 2019

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Post by knorker »

gokhan wrote: post #13

One interesting observation on Oslo is that, pedestrians do cross the street when it's red for them, if there's no moving traffic close by. This is totally different from, for example, Copenhagen, Stockholm and places I visited in Germany. They're like Italians of the north. That's probably why we felt at home on the streets during our stay there, as a family from Turkey. I would love to have that 0 deaths statistics…

Uhm, Stockholm is most definitely not an "obey the light" city for pedestrians.

Re: Oslo had 0 pedestrian, 0 cyclist, 0 children and 1 driver trafic deaths in 2019

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Post by agumonkey »

AdamHede wrote: post #8
mongol wrote: post #2

That is amazing. It is easy to imagine that safer cars have contributed most to this. But there are so many other factors.. emergency response, alcohol, road quality, weather... I wonder how it would break down, if it was possible to measure it all.

They also look at road section with abnormally high levels of accidents and are actually willing to chance road layout to more intuitive. It is a legitimate reason to change the curvature or build a bridge or additional exit in Norway "because it's difficult to drive in". It's really quite incredible, and combine that with safer cars, and you can really start to eat into traffic fatalities.

I don't know the economics of rebuilding roads but I wish other countries did the same.

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Post by morsch »

filmor wrote: post #50
hycaria wrote: post #17

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Ive been shouted at in Germany for crossing at red light, even with no car in sight, and for how bad an example this was for children at the scene.

Rightly so. Children can't (as reliable as you) decide how safe it is in a given situation to cross.

That's not why people get riled up even if they think it is. Adults constantly do things in front of children that children cannot or should not do: cooking, handling power tools, driving cars, smoking drinking, etc.

For the most part, this is not a problem, people just explain their kids that these are things that they cannot do now but will be able to do later (hopefully explaining why).

But people don't put crossing the road at a light in those terms, they tell them nobody can safely cross the road safely when the light is red. So an adult doing just that and being safe directly contradicts your message and your authority. It makes you look dumb. And that's why they get riled up.

We should just treat the red light as an aid for the young and infirm and explain it to kids as just that.

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Post by pjc50 »

TomMarius wrote: post #184
pjc50 wrote: post #183

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That's quite unusual that the traffic is light enough. How much are you paying for parking?

Nothing, I own my parking places (both home and office ones)

Also an unusual situation! In central London parking places are an expensive capital asset: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/news/london-parking-space-g...

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Post by glutamate »

gjm11 wrote: post #176
reallydontask wrote: post #61

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This is true but to whom should we attribute the CO2, the user or the producer?

When someone gets shot, usually you blame the shooter rather than the people who made the gun. Even if the gun is of the sort specifically designed for killing people. (As opposed to hunting animals or target-shooting for sport.) It seems like the same would go for CO2 emissions. There will probably always be uses for oil that are worth the cost in environmental damage, and if someone uses it for things that aren't t…

> When someone gets shot, usually you blame the shooter rather than the people who made the gun.

When someone gets shot, I blame the legal system that makes it much too easy to access guns.

And yes I also blame handgun manufacturers for their abrogation of responsibility.

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Post by Chanderton »

knorker wrote: post #204
gokhan wrote: post #13

One interesting observation on Oslo is that, pedestrians do cross the street when it's red for them, if there's no moving traffic close by. This is totally different from, for example, Copenhagen, Stockholm and places I visited in Germany. They're like Italians of the north. That's probably why we felt at home on the streets during our stay there, as a family from Turkey. I would love to have that 0 deaths statistics…

Uhm, Stockholm is most definitely not an "obey the light" city for pedestrians.

Live in Stockholm. And no, pedestrians don't give a darn about traffic lights (except when needed).

Re: Oslo had 0 pedestrian, 0 cyclist, 0 children and 1 driver trafic deaths in 2019

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Post by Steltek »

brlewis wrote: post #203
alistairSH wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the US, pedestrian signals do NOT signal when it’s safe to cross. Cars almost always have a green in the same direction, meaning they can turn into you. I almost get run over once a month because of this.

In Boston cars are required to yield to pedestrians on turns, and many intersections have signs to remind them of this. That said, it's always a good idea to look and see what cars are actually doing, regardless of what laws and signals say.

Boston also has more "pedestrian scramble" all-way walk lights, a configuration less common in the rest of the US.
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