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Oslo had 0 pedestrian, 0 cyclist, 0 children and 1 driver trafic deaths in 2019

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pedestrians do cross the street when it's red for them You have to think what pedestrian lights are for. They exist solely to improve the flow of car traffic. Pedestrian lights are in gross contrast to the rights and benefits of pedestrians. Without lights, pedestrians would always have first priority on a crosswalk. Cars would have to stop for any pedestrian crossing the street. However, drivers (of inefficient but…

I am not sure what you mean with this effectiveness. I live in Prague, the city with (what they say) one of the best public transport systems in the world, and yet, going to my workplace is 45 minutes by public transport and 15 minutes by car. Even though I live close to a subway and tram station, and the workplace is right in the city center, car still wins - where is the effectiveness you're talking about? This is…

I think that in order to have a good discussion it would help if you could explain why public transport is slower in your case.

Is the route longer because there isn't a line that goes straight from your home to your workplace?

Is it because there aren't a lot of trains, so they take too long to arrive?

Otherwise it's hard to tell what the problem with public transport in your city.

I live in London for instance, where cars are _almost always_ the slowest option for trips around zones 1-2 or even 3, because the center is always very busy. So when commuting here the fastest option is usually cycling, then 5-10 minutes slower is public transport and driving, which depending on the time of day will also be slower...

Re: Oslo had 0 pedestrian, 0 cyclist, 0 children and 1 driver trafic deaths in 2019

#182
post #175

Here in Perth, Western Australia we have quite reasonable pedestrian right of way laws. But if you read the recommendations, you will notice the language talks about how it's basically still on you to not die. For example, pedestrians have right of way when crossing a street where a car may be turning in to, so there should really be no need to check across your shoulder for traffic. Most drivers don't seem aware of…

> But if you read the recommendations, you will notice the language talks about how it's basically still on you to not die.

Well it makes sense, given we still have not figured out how to legislate people back to life and have recognized that making something illegal does not make it impossible.

Re: Oslo had 0 pedestrian, 0 cyclist, 0 children and 1 driver trafic deaths in 2019

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post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

pedestrians do cross the street when it's red for them You have to think what pedestrian lights are for. They exist solely to improve the flow of car traffic. Pedestrian lights are in gross contrast to the rights and benefits of pedestrians. Without lights, pedestrians would always have first priority on a crosswalk. Cars would have to stop for any pedestrian crossing the street. However, drivers (of inefficient but…

I am not sure what you mean with this effectiveness. I live in Prague, the city with (what they say) one of the best public transport systems in the world, and yet, going to my workplace is 45 minutes by public transport and 15 minutes by car. Even though I live close to a subway and tram station, and the workplace is right in the city center, car still wins - where is the effectiveness you're talking about? This is…

That's quite unusual that the traffic is light enough. How much are you paying for parking?

Re: Oslo had 0 pedestrian, 0 cyclist, 0 children and 1 driver trafic deaths in 2019

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post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not sure what you mean with this effectiveness. I live in Prague, the city with (what they say) one of the best public transport systems in the world, and yet, going to my workplace is 45 minutes by public transport and 15 minutes by car. Even though I live close to a subway and tram station, and the workplace is right in the city center, car still wins - where is the effectiveness you're talking about? This is…

That's quite unusual that the traffic is light enough. How much are you paying for parking?

Nothing, I own my parking places (both home and office ones)

Re: Oslo had 0 pedestrian, 0 cyclist, 0 children and 1 driver trafic deaths in 2019

#185
post #175

Here in Perth, Western Australia we have quite reasonable pedestrian right of way laws. But if you read the recommendations, you will notice the language talks about how it's basically still on you to not die. For example, pedestrians have right of way when crossing a street where a car may be turning in to, so there should really be no need to check across your shoulder for traffic. Most drivers don't seem aware of…

NYC has plenty of "laws" but the volume of people makes it impossible to thoroughly enforce. Plus we have so many people visiting from elsewhere. Our mayor adopted Vision Zero a few years ago and we're making improvements but we still have quite a lot of fatal accidents.

Re: Oslo had 0 pedestrian, 0 cyclist, 0 children and 1 driver trafic deaths in 2019

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post #13

One interesting observation on Oslo is that, pedestrians do cross the street when it's red for them, if there's no moving traffic close by. This is totally different from, for example, Copenhagen, Stockholm and places I visited in Germany. They're like Italians of the north. That's probably why we felt at home on the streets during our stay there, as a family from Turkey. I would love to have that 0 deaths statistics…

>This is totally different from, for example, Copenhagen, Stockholm

That's not right in my experience. Swedes walk across when it's red. Danes wait for green, even when standing by an empty road in the middle of the night. When the Øresund bridge was opened, Swedish television made news spots informing people in Scania that Danish motorist aren't used to people stepping out on the road, and to be attentive spotting danish cars.

Re: Oslo had 0 pedestrian, 0 cyclist, 0 children and 1 driver trafic deaths in 2019

#188
post #86

Rome has probably the worst record: 111 traffic deaths from January to November 2019.

Worst record in Europe, right? That's like a two-day worth of accidents here in Bangkok: > A total of 256 were killed and 2,588 injured in 2,529 road accidents nationwide from Dec 27 to 31 https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/1827019/seasona...

That's a staggering number, but isn't the article including the whole country in this count of 256 deaths? It sounds like "only" 12 of them were in Bangkok:

> Over the Dec 27-31 period, Bangkok had the highest number of deaths at 12

(...which implies a very long tail of cities outside of the capital.)

Re: Oslo had 0 pedestrian, 0 cyclist, 0 children and 1 driver trafic deaths in 2019

#189

I wonder also how the situation of Norway as a whole is? And is there a chart for other countries?

Wikipedia has some stuff https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-r... showing Norway #3 after Monaco (0 deaths) and Micronesia

Re: Oslo had 0 pedestrian, 0 cyclist, 0 children and 1 driver trafic deaths in 2019

#190
post #146

The entire country (Norway) had 0 children traffic deaths in 2019. In total 110 traffic deaths, of which 72% were men, very similar to the past few years. About 2/3rd of deaths were drivers or passengers in a car (the rest motorbike or pedestrian), and of those in cars 1/3rd were not using a seat belt. So it's likely you could get an immediate decrease in total traffic deaths of close to 20% if you could just force e…

Seatbelt issue is probably going away. My car will nag the hell out of me if anyone isn't wearing a seatbelt at speeds over 20 km/h. I assume this is true for most modern cars. Part of the population who didn't grow up with seatbelts is aging. I remember my late grandmother hated the seatbelts, they didn't exist when she grew up. Often she would pretend to use the belt, holding it in place by hand so that it looked l…

It will nag you even in the back?
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