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Huawei’s Revenue Hits Record $122B in 2019 Despite U.S. Campaign

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Re: Huawei’s Revenue Hits Record $122B in 2019 Despite U.S. Campaign

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Post by atr_gz »

roenxi wrote: post #56
atr_gz wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That doesn’t make sense to me. Of course if you do business with the US you are subject to US law. And if you travel to somewhere with an extradition treaty with the US, well, it shouldn’t be hard to guess what will happen. If I defrauded a Chinese bank I would expect to be arrested if I traveled somewhere with extradition to China. What do you mean about the US banks having a legal say? The government is the one doi…

> If I defrauded a Chinese bank I would expect to be arrested if I traveled somewhere with extradition to China. Yes, but if the charge was that you were engaged in trade with Taiwan (or recognising Taiwan as an independent state) that would be equally outrageous. > What do you mean about the US banks having a legal say? The government is the one doing the prosecuting. I must have misunderstood what you said. I thoug…

Again, she wasn’t charged with trading with Iran. Since you can’t seem to understand that simple point, I don’t see this conversation as productive any longer.

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Post by threatofrain »

roenxi wrote: post #56
atr_gz wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That doesn’t make sense to me. Of course if you do business with the US you are subject to US law. And if you travel to somewhere with an extradition treaty with the US, well, it shouldn’t be hard to guess what will happen. If I defrauded a Chinese bank I would expect to be arrested if I traveled somewhere with extradition to China. What do you mean about the US banks having a legal say? The government is the one doi…

> If I defrauded a Chinese bank I would expect to be arrested if I traveled somewhere with extradition to China. Yes, but if the charge was that you were engaged in trade with Taiwan (or recognising Taiwan as an independent state) that would be equally outrageous. > What do you mean about the US banks having a legal say? The government is the one doing the prosecuting. I must have misunderstood what you said. I thoug…

If trading with Taiwan were illegal in China and I wanted to do business in China of course I wouldn’t do both and set foot in China. That’s the reality with working with any country, including city state Singapore. I also wouldn’t expect any of the same luxuries that the western legal systems might provide.

But the CFO was arrested for financial fraud, and I would also be expected to be arrested if I engaged in financial lying with China, whether I was in China at the time of lying or not.

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Post by ryuukk_ »

neya wrote: post #6

I live in a Chinese dominated country. I can tell you this is because of the absurd nationalistic view that the Chinese hold. For example, I know atleast 5 co-workers who sold their iPhones to get a Huawei when the sanction was made. Part of the reason was Huawei phones' prices (even new ones) drastically dropped when the announcement of no more Android support was made, so these guys (and girls) got it at a super go…

data being sent to US or China is the same

at least china don't try to fuck you up if you want to create global giants

US will sue you if you try to compete with them

i'm glad they elected trump, now the whole word know exactly how the US is playing, with their own rules, created for their own profit

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Post by ibobev »

roenxi wrote: post #57
neya wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My understanding is this - the core of the argument is that a profit making entity from China violated a foreign law in a foreign land. And people were getting nationalistic about it without understanding that an agreement means you agreed on something (in this case, not to do something) and violating that has consequences as per foreign law because the company is operating in a foreign land that isn't their own. For…

Huawei isn't being penalised though; this is a direct charge against Meng. The US doesn't need the CFO to be in the courtroom to press charges against Huawei. The focus is a little different; this is much more personal. If it were just a charge against Huawei then yeah, a nationalistic response would be a little silly.

The arrest of Meng seems to me like the Roman and Byzantine practice for taking hostages from families of foreign leaders to ensure their loyalty and obedience to their interests.
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