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Post by foepys »

ben_w wrote: post #175
foepys wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know why this being downvoted so much. A family requires a lot more money than being single. Are so many people here single without children that don't know or care about this? Raising children on 30k€ in a city in Western Europe is scratching on the government defined poverty line.

> Raising children on 30k€ in a city in Western Europe is scratching on the government defined poverty line. What do you base this on? Based on [0], the poverty threshold in Germany is €13.152/year, and Germany is one of the richer EU nations. Even if that’s a working single parent and one child, €30k isn’t scratching the poverty line. [0] https://m.dw.com/en/germanys-minimum-wage-is-barely-above-th...

30k is gross and 13k is net income, those are very different things.

You also only looked at the poverty line for singles, not for couples (or single parent) with children. But you are in good company in this thread as nearly nobody takes children into account. Raising children on the poverty line is not the right way.

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Post by playing_colours »

blue_box wrote: post #101
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #16

I wish EU work visa restrictions would be as high as the US ones. Tech salaries in Western Europe are low enough as it is and the whole developer shortage the employers keep crying about to the media is a scam to justify lax visa restrictions for cheaper workforce from abroad. Under current conditions EU companies can hire pretty much anyone across the globe. Do you think SV salaries would be as high as they are if t…

> We have enough skilled workers in the EU. No you don't. Companies have to prove that they couldn't find a person who fits the position before hiring. Otherwise they have to hire someone in EU.

In Germany, local market check is not required for Blue Card applicants.

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Post by ben_w »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #204
ben_w wrote: post #188

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In my opinion, as ein verrückte britische Ausländer living in Berlin, the rent control is why so many people show up to flat viewings. However, I think there is a lot of price variation in Berlin, and many cheap parts: I’m paying €485 for a room in a WG in Buchholz, while collecting €820 (after fees, at current exchange rates) from a flat in a quiet village 30 minutes away from Cambridge in the UK.

Sorry, I'm confused about your statement. Is your WG room in Berlin expensive and your flat in Cambridge cheap or the other way arround?

I find Berlin to be cheap.

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Post by pergadad »

peaceanwar wrote: post #129
inertiatic wrote: post #104

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>But you can easily live in the Western Europe on even €30k. EASILY! I have trouble supporting a child in Greece, with a gross household income of around 50k. I most certainly do not lead a luxurious life. I shudder to think how this would work out in Western Europe where rents are even higher than the ~500 euro most people pay here for a medium sized apartment.

Something must be going horribly wrong in Greece. You can live easily of 30k in the Netherlands, I would make that to even 25k. Yes, that would mean having no car and using a bike to get around (which is common).

I don't think so. Maybe in the rural areas or well connected outskirts, if you own the housing. No chance you're living in Amsterdam on 30k and support a family without any problems.

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Post by devbas »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #183
mcv wrote: post #180

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Low birthrate isn't caused by high rent, but by a highly educated population and an economic system where kids aren't necessary to take care of you when you get old.

Says who? Meaningless statistics? Talking to my circles of highly skilled couples most cite money as the primary reason they're putting off having children.

Sounds like anecdotal evidence to me so I rather put my faith in the statistics.

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Post by xilni »

zerr wrote: post #36
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #16

I wish EU work visa restrictions would be as high as the US ones. Tech salaries in Western Europe are low enough as it is and the whole developer shortage the employers keep crying about to the media is a scam to justify lax visa restrictions for cheaper workforce from abroad. Under current conditions EU companies can hire pretty much anyone across the globe. Do you think SV salaries would be as high as they are if t…

If we follow that route, Spanish, Portuguese or Italians shouldn't be allowed to work in Germany... Germans shouldn't be allowed to work in Switzerland, etc... Also, there are plenty of 50K-70K tech jobs in US - not everyone works in FAANG or lives in Bay Area.

In the DC metro area:

Starter salaries for new software development or RE/VR grads, straight out of college with 1-2 summer internships under their belt, is 80-100k. These are not your I got poached by FAANGs MIT or Stanford grads we're talking about, just regular UMD/Mason, etc... working at cyber contractors or small-medium size tech companies.

One of my coworkers used to live her dream of living in Amsterdam doing dev work for a year, while the experience was very relaxed and it was a fun city, she said she couldn't justify getting paid 30-40k a year in Europe when the pay was triple here.

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Post by vsskanth »

bumblebee4 wrote: post #179
Isinlor wrote: post #95

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> as it increases the inequality Really?! Speaking about inequality is so hypocritical in this context that it just boils my blood. I could understand if you were having trouble to earn a living. But you can easily live in the Western Europe on even €30k. EASILY! And happily, and stress free. Your kids will get free education, free collage. You will get tons of vacations, 38 hours work week. But no, you want more. Yo…

As an engineer, isn't life in Asia more luxurious because you can easily afford a maid and other amenities? Seriously, what's the benefit of moving into Western Europe?

No corruption for basic services, access to decent education, property rights and if in the US, money.

Although the access to education is now being heavily gated by property values in countries like US.

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Post by acroback »

Isinlor wrote: post #95
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #16

I wish EU work visa restrictions would be as high as the US ones. Tech salaries in Western Europe are low enough as it is and the whole developer shortage the employers keep crying about to the media is a scam to justify lax visa restrictions for cheaper workforce from abroad. Under current conditions EU companies can hire pretty much anyone across the globe. Do you think SV salaries would be as high as they are if t…

> as it increases the inequality Really?! Speaking about inequality is so hypocritical in this context that it just boils my blood. I could understand if you were having trouble to earn a living. But you can easily live in the Western Europe on even €30k. EASILY! And happily, and stress free. Your kids will get free education, free collage. You will get tons of vacations, 38 hours work week. But no, you want more. Yo…

Hey man, why you have to burn someone so hard that they curl up in their bed crying tears of agony like a little pussy?

Slow clap

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Post by blub »

finolex1 wrote: post #162
mk89 wrote: post #155

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> But no, you want more. You want luxury life, you want to keep the rest of the world underneath you. Why does wanting more imply having people underneath you? Your comment is full of frustration, hatred and anger, it doesn't have any argument in it. I hope you can see that. The main issue stems from the fact that Europeans have a different lifestyle, therefore, moving forward for them implies having actually higher…

> however, as a local citizen wishing to improve my country and the average income, why would I care about people coming from other countries? I mean, what do I get in return? The main point of contention is not about whether this would improve the quality of life of the average EU programmer. It is about concealing what is just naked self-interest (i.e. concern about one's own wages) with noble talk of 'inequality'.…

"it increases the inequality putting all the gains in the hands of the employers."

That was not noble talk of global inequality, they meant it increases inequality on the labor market between capital and workers. So it was also a self-interested (and correct) statement.

You're confusing protectionism with protecting one's borders. Protecting one's borders and awarding more rights to the country's own population than to the rest of the world is the status quo and the only recipe for success we know.

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Post by SamReidHughes »

chpmrc wrote: post #117
inertiatic wrote: post #88

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I thought HotJar positions advertised 70-90k, a number that would also be adjusted further based on cost of living.

That's in EUR, 90k EUR is ~100k USD.

That’s a big multiple below an SV salary.
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