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Re: EU beckons Indian tech talent

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Post by blue_box »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #16

I wish EU work visa restrictions would be as high as the US ones. Tech salaries in Western Europe are low enough as it is and the whole developer shortage the employers keep crying about to the media is a scam to justify lax visa restrictions for cheaper workforce from abroad. Under current conditions EU companies can hire pretty much anyone across the globe. Do you think SV salaries would be as high as they are if t…

> We have enough skilled workers in the EU.

No you don't. Companies have to prove that they couldn't find a person who fits the position before hiring. Otherwise they have to hire someone in EU.

Re: EU beckons Indian tech talent

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

hos234 wrote: post #80
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The whole fear of outsourcing is a myth companies use to deregulate immigration and it needs to stop being used as fear mongering to justify lax regulations. If outsourcing was so good why hasn't all of SV packed and moved abroad already to cheap countries or even to cheaper states in the US instead of offering insane salaries at home? Companies stay in the west because of the ecosystem comprised of stable government…

If Airbus wants to hire 300 software engineers, good luck finding them in reasonable time periods in Germany or France. Local small niche firms can survive. The larger you get the longer it takes to hit hiring goal. You will understand that only after you spend time actually hiring people. Telling the boss well I can't do this locally in 3 months, I need 6 plus a budget to relocate people from other EU locations will…

>If Airbus wants to hire 300 software engineers, good luck finding them in reasonable time periods in Germany or France.

Airbus can't find 300 engineers in Germany and France? Come on! More like Airbus can't find 300 engineers in Germany and France willing to work for peanuts. It's always the last part that gets lost in the translation.

Has Airbus thought about training said engineers instead of expecting them to magic themselves out of thin air whenever they're needed? Looking at their margins it's not like they can't afford it.

>The EU is doing the right thing by trying to pull more people in.

The EU is doing the right thing for Airbus shareholders, not for the local workforce.

Re: EU beckons Indian tech talent

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Post by inertiatic »

Isinlor wrote: post #95
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #16

I wish EU work visa restrictions would be as high as the US ones. Tech salaries in Western Europe are low enough as it is and the whole developer shortage the employers keep crying about to the media is a scam to justify lax visa restrictions for cheaper workforce from abroad. Under current conditions EU companies can hire pretty much anyone across the globe. Do you think SV salaries would be as high as they are if t…

> as it increases the inequality Really?! Speaking about inequality is so hypocritical in this context that it just boils my blood. I could understand if you were having trouble to earn a living. But you can easily live in the Western Europe on even €30k. EASILY! And happily, and stress free. Your kids will get free education, free collage. You will get tons of vacations, 38 hours work week. But no, you want more. Yo…

>But you can easily live in the Western Europe on even €30k. EASILY!

I have trouble supporting a child in Greece, with a gross household income of around 50k.

I most certainly do not lead a luxurious life.

I shudder to think how this would work out in Western Europe where rents are even higher than the ~500 euro most people pay here for a medium sized apartment.

Re: EU beckons Indian tech talent

#105

Post by collyw »

pnako wrote: post #93
LatteLazy wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

if you want the 7 best software engineers on earth, statistically 1.4 of them are in china, 1.2 in india etc, only 0.5 of them are in Europe. So you import the others. Only you want the 7 million best software engineers (plus other engineers, doctors, lawyers, writers, artists, scientists, teachers etc)

Why not let those people live in their countries with their families, friends, cultures and traditions, and simply import the amazing software they're going to write? The idea that the we need to concentrate the best people in a few cities in the west is both absurd and dangerous.

Outsourcing was a trend ten or so years ago. It seems to work well enough for grunt work, but for more complex stuff, not so much.

Re: EU beckons Indian tech talent

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Post by blue_box »

playing_colours wrote: post #63
blue_box wrote: post #7

It is really easy to get a blue card. You just need a contract (higher than €42K) and diploma (which is relevant to your job). That's all. Not only from India, I think EU beckons tech talent from all Level 3 countries.

Is there a lack of engineers in Germany, or there is a lack of engineers who want to work for peanuts at yet another venture builder, consulting agency, advertisement, e-commerce, delivery startup led by inexperienced managers with huge egos? We have many good STEM universities with free education in Germany, but do we have enough options for top talent, in software related areas particularly, to make impact and reti…

There is a lack of engineers in almost every engineering field in Germany. That's the main reason why if you are an engineer, your salary limit is low for getting a blue card. I don't think that EU decides those limits based on hot startups.

Re: EU beckons Indian tech talent

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Post by [deleted] »

blue_box wrote: post #101
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #16

I wish EU work visa restrictions would be as high as the US ones. Tech salaries in Western Europe are low enough as it is and the whole developer shortage the employers keep crying about to the media is a scam to justify lax visa restrictions for cheaper workforce from abroad. Under current conditions EU companies can hire pretty much anyone across the globe. Do you think SV salaries would be as high as they are if t…

> We have enough skilled workers in the EU. No you don't. Companies have to prove that they couldn't find a person who fits the position before hiring. Otherwise they have to hire someone in EU.

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Re: EU beckons Indian tech talent

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Post by d44m »

I look at it as a simple trade of goods. Hiring a Software Engineer from India is like an Indian buying a German car.

If Germany can export cars to India and France can export wines, then India can export their talent.

So, if you are confident of your skills and what they are worth, you should naturally go to the USA.

Re: EU beckons Indian tech talent

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Post by huffmsa »

pnako wrote: post #100
Isinlor wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> as it increases the inequality Really?! Speaking about inequality is so hypocritical in this context that it just boils my blood. I could understand if you were having trouble to earn a living. But you can easily live in the Western Europe on even €30k. EASILY! And happily, and stress free. Your kids will get free education, free collage. You will get tons of vacations, 38 hours work week. But no, you want more. Yo…

I think you're attacking a straw man here. Chinese and Indian people can certainly compete with European people, and they do it everyday. But they can do it from China and India.

The GP thinks its about "getting even", as if China and India were naive, noble backwaters the devious Europeans pulled the wool over and secretly exploited in 1700s.

When really, they got out competed in trade and on the battlefield by the Europeans.

Re: EU beckons Indian tech talent

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

Isinlor wrote: post #95
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #16

I wish EU work visa restrictions would be as high as the US ones. Tech salaries in Western Europe are low enough as it is and the whole developer shortage the employers keep crying about to the media is a scam to justify lax visa restrictions for cheaper workforce from abroad. Under current conditions EU companies can hire pretty much anyone across the globe. Do you think SV salaries would be as high as they are if t…

> as it increases the inequality Really?! Speaking about inequality is so hypocritical in this context that it just boils my blood. I could understand if you were having trouble to earn a living. But you can easily live in the Western Europe on even €30k. EASILY! And happily, and stress free. Your kids will get free education, free collage. You will get tons of vacations, 38 hours work week. But no, you want more. Yo…

>But you can easily live in the Western Europe on even €30k. EASILY! And happily, and stress free.

Yeah, please take me and my family to this magic lala land. You can also survive on the streets with no money. That doesn't mean it's a lifestyle you should aspire to.

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