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Re: EU beckons Indian tech talent

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Post by adventured »

Mvandenbergh wrote: post #47
elfexec wrote: post #43

The EU has over 500 million people in a landmass that is less than half the size of the US. Does the EU really need to import workers from overseas given how overpopulated it is relative to its landmass size? If the EU was the size of the US, it's population would be 1.2 billion people. Similar to china and india. Why aren't they able to find the workers locally? Is it poor planning? Did they not train enough tech wo…

By that logic, the US has many unemployed people and many, many people earning low wages in low productivity industries. Why not just train them properly rather than import workers from elsewhere?

That's part of the right approach. The US should - to the extent possible - be very aggressive in uptraining its workforce, while simultaneously importing all of the best talent from overseas that wants to come to the US. There's more than enough economy to do both things.

Re: EU beckons Indian tech talent

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Post by r_singh »

rrrazdan wrote: post #32

A counterpoint to the article. As a founder in India we have recently started thinking about hiring people from EU, especially the eastern part. If however the criteria and salary for a good programmer is EUR 42k pa as a comment below suggests, you can earn decently more than that at multiple companies, including mine.

I think you mistook the minimum required contract value for an apt salary for a good programmer.

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Post by playing_colours »

blue_box wrote: post #7

It is really easy to get a blue card. You just need a contract (higher than €42K) and diploma (which is relevant to your job). That's all. Not only from India, I think EU beckons tech talent from all Level 3 countries.

Is there a lack of engineers in Germany, or there is a lack of engineers who want to work for peanuts at yet another venture builder, consulting agency, advertisement, e-commerce, delivery startup led by inexperienced managers with huge egos?

We have many good STEM universities with free education in Germany, but do we have enough options for top talent, in software related areas particularly, to make impact and retire at 40 or start own business? In Berlin, I see very few options to be close to such goals.

How many new famous technological companies came from Germany recent years?

Re: EU beckons Indian tech talent

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Post by zerr »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #40
zerr wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If we follow that route, Spanish, Portuguese or Italians shouldn't be allowed to work in Germany... Germans shouldn't be allowed to work in Switzerland, etc... Also, there are plenty of 50K-70K tech jobs in US - not everyone works in FAANG or lives in Bay Area.

You're not correct. EU citizens should be allowed to work anywhere in EU member states. That's fine, it's one of the founding principles of EU membership. The problem is when EU companies have virtually no restrictions on hiring people outside the EU putting even more downward pressure on local salaries in high COL areas.

EU is just a yet another set of deals. Switzerland is not even a EU member - it has a yet another set of deals. There are reasons for such deals as with Blue card deals or similar. Preferring one deal over another just because of nationality or race is wrong.

Re: EU beckons Indian tech talent

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

hos234 wrote: post #57
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're not correct. EU citizens should be allowed to work anywhere in EU member states. That's fine, it's one of the founding principles of EU membership. The problem is when EU companies have virtually no restrictions on hiring people outside the EU putting even more downward pressure on local salaries in high COL areas.

Companies will outsource, move development centers elsewhere etc etc. Visa restrictions alone aren't going to save anyones job. The world is too competitive.

The whole fear of outsourcing is a myth companies use to deregulate immigration and it needs to stop being used as fear mongering to justify lax regulations.

If outsourcing was so good why hasn't all of SV packed and moved abroad already to cheap countries or even to cheaper states in the US instead of offering insane salaries at home?

Companies stay in the west because of the ecosystem comprised of stable government, generous financing and skilled workforce.

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

zerr wrote: post #64
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're not correct. EU citizens should be allowed to work anywhere in EU member states. That's fine, it's one of the founding principles of EU membership. The problem is when EU companies have virtually no restrictions on hiring people outside the EU putting even more downward pressure on local salaries in high COL areas.

EU is just a yet another set of deals. Switzerland is not even a EU member - it has a yet another set of deals. There are reasons for such deals as with Blue card deals or similar. Preferring one deal over another just because of nationality or race is wrong.

Hiring restrictions to the EU exclusively have nothing to do with race but they do with nationality and there's nothing wrong with that.

As an EU national and EU taxpayer for decades, I expect to be a first class citizen of my region and the governing bodies to prioritize my well being first as much as I expect the US or Chinese or Indian governments to prioritize the well being of thier citizens first as opposed to mine.

Is it wrong if I can't get a work visa for SV? Or China? Or India?

Re: EU beckons Indian tech talent

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Post by playing_colours »

blue_box wrote: post #20
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #16

I wish EU work visa restrictions would be as high as the US ones. Tech salaries in Western Europe are low enough as it is and the whole developer shortage the employers keep crying about to the media is a scam to justify lax visa restrictions for cheaper workforce from abroad. Under current conditions EU companies can hire pretty much anyone across the globe. Do you think SV salaries would be as high as they are if t…

Of course, people who come from abroad have some effect on the salaries but I think the main reason is that life quality is really high in Europe (especially in Germany) so employees don't negotiate properly for their salary. When I talk with my colleagues, most of them are saying that the money that they earn is enough, there is no reason to ask for more. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

If your company does not pay above market rate, you may naturally end up with employees who are satisfied with their salaries.

The quality of living in Germany is in decline in recent years, unfortunately, as our government knows only how to waste money when economy boomed, but is completely incompetent what to do with growing challenges, and how to ensure its relevance and growth in future. Introducing new taxes every week is not a mark of competence.

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Post by vijaybritto »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #16

I wish EU work visa restrictions would be as high as the US ones. Tech salaries in Western Europe are low enough as it is and the whole developer shortage the employers keep crying about to the media is a scam to justify lax visa restrictions for cheaper workforce from abroad. Under current conditions EU companies can hire pretty much anyone across the globe. Do you think SV salaries would be as high as they are if t…

This is true. I live in Bangalore and I see European companies paying like 30 - 40% more than what we get paid in India. This is so little when the cost of living and the cost of moving with your family are considered. It inevitably leads to the reduction in spending in those cities in Europe.

Re: EU beckons Indian tech talent

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Post by zerr »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #66
zerr wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EU is just a yet another set of deals. Switzerland is not even a EU member - it has a yet another set of deals. There are reasons for such deals as with Blue card deals or similar. Preferring one deal over another just because of nationality or race is wrong.

Hiring restrictions to the EU exclusively have nothing to do with race but they do with nationality and there's nothing wrong with that. As an EU national and EU taxpayer for decades, I expect to be a first class citizen of my region and the governing bodies to prioritize my well being first as much as I expect the US or Chinese or Indian governments to prioritize the well being of thier citizens first as opposed to…

> Is it a problem of race/nationality

It is, when you're saying that it is fine for Romanians or Polish to dump the market, but not Indians.

Re: EU beckons Indian tech talent

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Post by LatteLazy »

elfexec wrote: post #43

The EU has over 500 million people in a landmass that is less than half the size of the US. Does the EU really need to import workers from overseas given how overpopulated it is relative to its landmass size? If the EU was the size of the US, it's population would be 1.2 billion people. Similar to china and india. Why aren't they able to find the workers locally? Is it poor planning? Did they not train enough tech wo…

if you want the 7 best software engineers on earth, statistically 1.4 of them are in china, 1.2 in india etc, only 0.5 of them are in Europe. So you import the others. Only you want the 7 million best software engineers (plus other engineers, doctors, lawyers, writers, artists, scientists, teachers etc)
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