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Re: UFO: Pilot who spotted famous Tic Tac breaks silence after 15 years

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Post by nkrisc »

wonderwonder wrote: post #85
baybal2 wrote: post #70

I think if we ever see an alien, he will either fly to us in a completely enormous nuclear rocket which we will spot years before his arrival and deceleration. This is in the case if there is really no other way to traverse stars besides conventional rocketry. But in case if there is a way to trick any of the fundamental physics we know after all, then very likely the guy will come right at our porch, and they've pro…

This assumes they are not coming from some giant station on the other side of our sun, parked there for the last several hundred years. They could also be anywhere in our solar system, that our technology is not advanced enough to detect. We cant really keep track of all the space rocks floating near us and they aren't trying not to be seen.

If they're hiding from us on the other side of the sun, then that means they're probably on the same orbit as the Earth, but a full half orbit ahead. But then you'd think spacecraft like the Parker Solar Probe which has a perihelion of only 0.04 AU and a very eccentric orbit would be able to spot it.

Hiding on the other side of the sun only hides them from direct observation from exactly Earth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parker_Solar_Probe

Re: UFO: Pilot who spotted famous Tic Tac breaks silence after 15 years

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Post by wonderwonder »

okonomiyaki3000 wrote: post #149
wonderwonder wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This assumes they are not coming from some giant station on the other side of our sun, parked there for the last several hundred years. They could also be anywhere in our solar system, that our technology is not advanced enough to detect. We cant really keep track of all the space rocks floating near us and they aren't trying not to be seen.

But why would they have come here hundreds of years ago? They'd have had to leave their planet hundreds (if not thousands) of years before that. Meanwhile, Seinfeld hasn't even reached them yet. What did they find so interesting about our system so many years ago that they would expend the time and energy for such a project? Who is paying for this?

Maybe they are simply observing the experiment they started 4 billion years ago.

Re: UFO: Pilot who spotted famous Tic Tac breaks silence after 15 years

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Post by Tistel »

lolc wrote: post #111
Tistel wrote: post #77

I have heard a couple of podcasts that had some very credible US pilots talking about this. I think detecting life on other planets or aliens here would be great (so long as they are not trying to kill me yada yada). But, the most down to earth explanation is signal/sensor warfare testing. Bare with me for a moment. The web is part of the sensor array of a spider. There are species of insects that tap on spider's web…

I wonder what protections modern military radar systems use against such attacks. I find it plausible that they were played to see how well their detection works.

It might be the one upside to the cpc commies stealing (or were they fed it? (evil moustache twirl)) US tech. The US will know how “their” best tech works and might be able to cause ghost images to appear the pilots/AI.

Re: UFO: Pilot who spotted famous Tic Tac breaks silence after 15 years

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Post by clSTophEjUdRanu »

b06tmm wrote: post #84
Tistel wrote: post #77

I have heard a couple of podcasts that had some very credible US pilots talking about this. I think detecting life on other planets or aliens here would be great (so long as they are not trying to kill me yada yada). But, the most down to earth explanation is signal/sensor warfare testing. Bare with me for a moment. The web is part of the sensor array of a spider. There are species of insects that tap on spider's web…

When I was in the Navy (1977 ~ 1981), our A-6E was equipped with an ECM suite that was designed to intercept and process pulse signals, automatically select the optimum countermeasures technique, and then apply the technique. One of these countermeasures was to send a return signal back to the radar, "telling the radar that the aircraft had accelerated (beyond the speed of light) and was now on the opposite horizon.…

Counter measure techniques for radar are highly classified. They take a long time to develop and once you use them they aren't useful for very long. The enemy adapts.

On one hand, I feel like this tic-tac is the result of one of these techniques. On the other hand, they wouldn't test this out in the open where a Chinese or Russian satellite can listen to these countermeasure pulses.

Re: UFO: Pilot who spotted famous Tic Tac breaks silence after 15 years

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Post by fritzthecat »

BrandoElFollito wrote: post #171

I am not following UFO information but I think I have only heard about them in my country (France) only twice in the last 15 years. I heard about cases in the US much often. US are also probably 3 times or size (population) and 10 times (or whatever) military size - so maybe the numbers are consistent across countries. I wonder however how much culture plays a role in the sightings. All UFOs in movies land in the US.…

I have seen strange things happening while camping out under a Cessna 172 together with fellow european pilots in Sedona, Arizona in 1995. Multiple lights in the Sky, zigzagging across the sky in very similar fashion to what those F18 pilots report. I know you were trying to be cynical, but maybe there is something strange going on there.

Re: UFO: Pilot who spotted famous Tic Tac breaks silence after 15 years

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Post by nradov »

akmarinov wrote: post #177
nradov wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one was dumbfounded. Image clarity was consistent with expectations based on the known size of the KH-11 series. This is basic physics.

“The resolution is amazingly high,” Ankit Panda from the Federation of American Scientists told NPR, adding it was “much higher than anything I’ve ever seen.” Tell it to Ankit Panda. Melissa Hanham, deputy director of the Open Nuclear Network at the One Earth Foundation, believes that the resolution is so high, it may be beyond the physical limits at which satellites can operate. And this lady.

You have misunderstood. Ankit Panda was simply stating that the image resolution was higher than anything that had been publicly released so far. It wasn't anything unexpected.

Melissa Hanham is a policy specialist, not a physicist or optics engineer. She has no particular expertise in this area.

If you don't believe me then do the math yourself. It's easy enough to figure out the maximum diameter of a KH-11 based on the size of the available launch vehicles. And from that you can calculate the maximum resolving power. They can play some tricks with adaptive optics and digital image processing but that doesn't add much.

Re: UFO: Pilot who spotted famous Tic Tac breaks silence after 15 years

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Post by BrandoElFollito »

fritzthecat wrote: post #185
BrandoElFollito wrote: post #171

I am not following UFO information but I think I have only heard about them in my country (France) only twice in the last 15 years. I heard about cases in the US much often. US are also probably 3 times or size (population) and 10 times (or whatever) military size - so maybe the numbers are consistent across countries. I wonder however how much culture plays a role in the sightings. All UFOs in movies land in the US.…

I have seen strange things happening while camping out under a Cessna 172 together with fellow european pilots in Sedona, Arizona in 1995. Multiple lights in the Sky, zigzagging across the sky in very similar fashion to what those F18 pilots report. I know you were trying to be cynical, but maybe there is something strange going on there.

No, I am not trying to be cynical.

My point is that if the news/reporting on UFOs in the US is much more prevalent than in, say, France, it is no surprise that people jump to that conclusion quicker than elsewhere. The movies are one another reason for that.

This is just an idea, I do not know how statistically sound this is. To give a counterexample, everytime I switch on the radio on a station which is supposed to have people talking (France Culture for instance) and I hear music, I assume they are on strike. I do not think than an American would jump on that conclusion.

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Post by techdragon »

ta999999171 wrote: post #173
basch wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

wouldnt it be a lot simple to just announce "hey if you think you see a ufo, 'its probably us' and we would appreciate a report so we can correlate sightings with our various stealth tests."?

US pride regularly creates political theater in place of logical moves.

This is a trait that is pretty universal in my experience.

Re: UFO: Pilot who spotted famous Tic Tac breaks silence after 15 years

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Post by [deleted] »

wonderwonder wrote: post #114
lolc wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That would be really weird for them to be hiding from us behind the sun. What's in it for them? They arrive in Sol to set up a base but the carbon-based predators on the wet planet must not be disturbed. Why should they care about us in that specific way? That tale sounds a lot like typical human hubris to me.

Why do we have rules about disturbing the tribes in the amazon or the Sentinelese. Maybe there are established rules about contacting primitive cultures? Maybe they are just watching for the Fermi Paradox to take care of us.

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Re: UFO: Pilot who spotted famous Tic Tac breaks silence after 15 years

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Post by bouchard »

catalogia wrote: post #126
CalChris wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, the stealth fighter was not in operation for 20 years before the public knew about it. The F-117 was delivered in 1982 and operational in 1983. It was 'declassified' in 1988 and displayed in 1990. And it wasn't even a fighter. It was for ground attack. https://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/f-117.htm

Besides the SR-71/A-12, there were other stealth aircraft that preceded the F-117. The immediate predecessor was Lockheed's Have Blue [0] which was flying in the 70s. Related to Have Blue , there was also Senior Prom [1], which was apparently a scaled down unmanned "cruise missile" variant of Have Blue . And beyond airplanes, the first stealth helicopters were developed in the late 60s to early 70s and saw limited se…

Have Blue was the POC for the F-117, it wasn't used in actual operations. It was a test platform to demonstrate the concept's stealth capabilities and its ability to fly despite its non-conventional shape.
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