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Re: UFO: Pilot who spotted famous Tic Tac breaks silence after 15 years

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Post by djsumdog »

blhack wrote: post #34

Imagine trying to explain some fancy load balancing AWS deployment to somebody who has never used a computer beyond a flip phone. It would be completely foreign. That’s me (and also nearly everybody here) with regards to aviation and war making aviation machines. So while these articles and stories are definitely interesting, they might as well be fairy tales. The way our minds are reconstructing these things, and th…

Joe Rogan did a great Podcast with one of the pilots in this incident:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eco2s3-0zsQ

Here's a short clip from it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnIG-i2WCfg

He's really knowledgeable, has a ton of flight experience and carefully details everything his and the other pilots see from their aircraft.

Re: UFO: Pilot who spotted famous Tic Tac breaks silence after 15 years

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Post by monk_e_boy »

faissaloo wrote: post #42
spookyuser wrote: post #36

Hypothesis: Any aliens advanced enough to build an objecting moving as impossibly as the pilot says would also be advanced enough to not be detected doing so.

Intelligence in one area doesn't mean intelligence in another, it may also be that they don't care about being spotted.

Yep. We send drone deep into the ocean. To an Orca this is magical technology that isn't trying to cloak it's self.

Re: UFO: Pilot who spotted famous Tic Tac breaks silence after 15 years

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Post by djsumdog »

CalChris wrote: post #51
awb wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the pilots in this incident was on Rogan saying how they used to fly silently without lights above remote campsites, then once they saw a campfire blast the lights and go straight up. They'd laugh as the UFO reports flowed in. Similarly, the stealth fighter was in operation for 20 years before the public knew about it. It's not unrealistic to consider top secret tech as a possible explanation. One counter poin…

No, the stealth fighter was not in operation for 20 years before the public knew about it. The F-117 was delivered in 1982 and operational in 1983. It was 'declassified' in 1988 and displayed in 1990. And it wasn't even a fighter. It was for ground attack. https://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/f-117.htm

I thought maybe the poster was talking about the SR-71, but it too didn't stay classified for very long.

Re: UFO: Pilot who spotted famous Tic Tac breaks silence after 15 years

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Post by mortenjorck »

whatshisface wrote: post #38
ComputerGuru wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not sure how you can project anything into space that would be seen with continuity by both man and machine to look and act the same (keep in mind IR and visible light have different properties). If you’ve ever played with a laser pointer you’ll know what I mean: it drives the cat crazy when it jumps/skips/disappears because now it’s being projected on a different plane of surface (in the air: a different cloud o…

Take a look at the Bragg curve. This explains it: https://www.otherhand.org/home-page/area-51-and-other-strang...

I wasn’t sure what to expect from that link, but it’s actually a really cool bit of educated speculation.

> A device based upon this principle would make a really exquisite radar spoofing tool. The ionized plasma would give a good radar return, giving targeting radars something else to lock on to, instead of incoming aircraft. The ability to project an object of apparent solidity to enemy radar, instantly manipulatable, would be a most valuable little toy to have in your bag of tricks.

Re: UFO: Pilot who spotted famous Tic Tac breaks silence after 15 years

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Post by djsumdog »

thdrdt wrote: post #32
mattlondon wrote: post #7

What I find kinda interesting about this is the HUD apparently being able to "lock on" or track or whatever the object. Are these HUD things around the object just visual bounding boxes around something with high contrast, or are the HUDs doing sensor fusion with IR and radar and other things? Not just for UFOs but I've seen similar things from gun cam footage in Iraq etc and wondered how it works.

There is a Joe Rogan podcast with David Fravor, a pilot who also saw it. I believe he explains it's all visual locking but there are a lot if different camera types. https://youtu.be/Eco2s3-0zsQ

Yep, I was going to mention that podcast. They have a camera pod that can literally just track fast moving objects visually (probably uses computer vision stuff internally). He also mentions how the camera pods can switch between standard, IR and a few other modes. The IR didn't show any heat large heat sources, which you'd see on a commercial jet liner or fighter jet.

Re: UFO: Pilot who spotted famous Tic Tac breaks silence after 15 years

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Post by blhack »

djsumdog wrote: post #61
blhack wrote: post #34

Imagine trying to explain some fancy load balancing AWS deployment to somebody who has never used a computer beyond a flip phone. It would be completely foreign. That’s me (and also nearly everybody here) with regards to aviation and war making aviation machines. So while these articles and stories are definitely interesting, they might as well be fairy tales. The way our minds are reconstructing these things, and th…

Joe Rogan did a great Podcast with one of the pilots in this incident: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eco2s3-0zsQ Here's a short clip from it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnIG-i2WCfg He's really knowledgeable, has a ton of flight experience and carefully details everything his and the other pilots see from their aircraft.

Yeah I loved that episode! I would love to see somebody who could lean against him intellectually interview him though.

Re: UFO: Pilot who spotted famous Tic Tac breaks silence after 15 years

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Post by bloopernova »

mark-r wrote: post #60
bloopernova wrote: post #11

While I know that I'll never be able to sit down with the intelligence analysts who looked at this video and sensor information, I really wish I could convene some sort of group to do just that. I'd love to see some calculations on how much energy this UFO would have needed to perform the maneuvers it did. Whether there were any observable atmospheric effects like a wake even though there was no exhaust seen. Did it…

You would need to estimate mass before you could estimate energy. Any idea how you'd do that?

No idea at all!

Maybe calculating for a range of different masses would then give a range of possible energies involved.

Your point is pretty much why I'd like to see a bunch of experts dissect this phenomena. I want to see scientific rigor applied to this, and to see what conclusions can be drawn from the data available.

Re: UFO: Pilot who spotted famous Tic Tac breaks silence after 15 years

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Post by djsumdog »

JRKrause wrote: post #47

Is there any part of this footage that can't be explained by a bit of matter stuck on the FLIR lens? Even it being apparently "cold" seems well explained by the dust/bug whatever casting a shadow onto the IR sensor array.

The pilots claim they physically saw it too. And the pilot who made the video was the 2nd group up from the first who claimed they saw it from their cockpits.

And the FLIR was tracking the target moving. If it was a piece of dust stuck on, it would have looked as if it were moving the same speed of the aircraft, wouldn't it?

Re: UFO: Pilot who spotted famous Tic Tac breaks silence after 15 years

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Post by baybal2 »

I think if we ever see an alien, he will either fly to us in a completely enormous nuclear rocket which we will spot years before his arrival and deceleration. This is in the case if there is really no other way to traverse stars besides conventional rocketry.

But in case if there is a way to trick any of the fundamental physics we know after all, then very likely the guy will come right at our porch, and they've probably done so many times without us even noticing, and will only contact us, if ever, on their own terms.

Given the premise is right, and somebody can really do something on the level of fundamental physical force manipulation for space travel, then there would be no reason for them to not dispense with conventional space travel altogether, or at least to a reasonable extent where this technology is more practical than giant nuclear rockets.

And the same goes for things like stealth technology, or inertia control. If somebody can arbitrary manipulate gravity, entropy, or fundamental forces to travel stars, or make traversable wormholes, then inertia cancelation, invisibility by directly manipulating light, undetectable radio comms, and power sources unlimited or almost so by heatsink capacity should be child's play for them too.

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