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Re: UFO: Pilot who spotted famous Tic Tac breaks silence after 15 years

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Post by rnikander »

JimmyRuska wrote: post #107
CommieBobDole wrote: post #28

As much as I want to believe, I feel like this almost has to be some sort of disinformation campaign, either to cover up some sort of testing that the US military is doing and thinks someone else might have seen, or to make US adversaries think that we've made some sort of fundamental breakthrough and we're ineptly trying to cover it up by calling it a UFO. Probably the latter. Would be interesting to read the articl…

Wouldn't the boring answer be they made something that can disrupt radar systems into creating fantom objects. Creating fake objects that are remarkable would be useful for when distractions are needed. The final QA would be a real in the field test where the observers are not aware of the experiment.

Four people saw it with their eyes. David Fravor has talked the most but there were two planes, each with two pilots.

Re: UFO: Pilot who spotted famous Tic Tac breaks silence after 15 years

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Post by dylan604 »

akmarinov wrote: post #133
awb wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the pilots in this incident was on Rogan saying how they used to fly silently without lights above remote campsites, then once they saw a campfire blast the lights and go straight up. They'd laugh as the UFO reports flowed in. Similarly, the stealth fighter was in operation for 20 years before the public knew about it. It's not unrealistic to consider top secret tech as a possible explanation. One counter poin…

Why put it commercially if keeping it secret gives you a huge advantage over foreign powers? Case in point the satellite photo Trump leaked - leading civilian experts were dumbfounded that such a clear image from a satellite was even possible, let alone already deployed and in use. Commercial applications for that would be huge, yet it’s staying secret.

I've heard tales of the wink and a nod method of releasing capabilities without broadcasting that's what they were doing. Back in the early days of satellite with ground penetrating radar, there were detailed images released of river deltas. It was supposed to be a boon for geology, but it was also meant as a shot across the bow to the Russians that we could see their underground bunkers and what not. Sometimes the clandestine games were cool. I miss the spy novels/stories of the 80s.

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Post by dkarras »

joshuaheard wrote: post #55
jijji wrote: post #49

last week a story came out quoting an air force general saying that "technology exists that could transport a human anywhere on earth within an hour" [0]... [0] https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/31445/recently-retired...

I think he was referring to the new NASA supersonic plane, and meant "hours", not "hour". https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-s-x-59-quiet-superso...

>and meant "hours"

Like a plane?

Re: UFO: Pilot who spotted famous Tic Tac breaks silence after 15 years

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Post by narag »

Recurecur wrote: post #128
narag wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And the same goes for things like stealth technology, or inertia control. We have stealth techonology, don't we? Inertia control is not needed if you can create a field. The problem with acceleration is that it needs to be transmited from the engine to the human body. That happens through the seat in planes or rockets. But if you were able to create a field that uniformly affected all the molecules of everything into…

So, positing the video is authentic, which seems likely, here's what we know: - This object, estimated to be 40 feet in largest dimension, exhibited flight performance beyond an F-18 - These objects exhibit long flight endurance, indicating a high density power source - The object was solid, as it was detected by the Aegis radar - According to the pilot involved, the object did not obey the laws of physics as we know…

All of it sounds outrageous, but my point was that it's actually just at one discovery distance from what we can do.

We know how to create a magnetic field using electricity. But magnetism only affects certain materials, the ones that can align electrons in some specific way. If the same thing was possible with all kind of matter, maybe finding the way to align its electrons, maybe not, the rest of effects you mention could be just collateral.

Re: UFO: Pilot who spotted famous Tic Tac breaks silence after 15 years

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Post by Roritharr »

dvh wrote: post #108
CommieBobDole wrote: post #28

As much as I want to believe, I feel like this almost has to be some sort of disinformation campaign, either to cover up some sort of testing that the US military is doing and thinks someone else might have seen, or to make US adversaries think that we've made some sort of fundamental breakthrough and we're ineptly trying to cover it up by calling it a UFO. Probably the latter. Would be interesting to read the articl…

Here's my theory about the recent influx of UFO footages coming from high places. US military was working on advanced drones. Nothing fancy, think current best tech, add 15 years and billion in r&d, that kind of stuff. Then when it was ready for test they flew it secretly before their own pilots and waited for reports. And waited. And waited some more. Silence. They disabled stealth, added flashlights, nothing. Milit…

Why would they wait for reports from their pilots in such a roundabout fashion?

Besides that it's the most compelling argument I've read so far, kinda killing the mood for me.

Re: UFO: Pilot who spotted famous Tic Tac breaks silence after 15 years

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Post by narag »

baybal2 wrote: post #46
Jd wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sometimes it has an easy explanation given typical information asymmetries and incentive structures. For example, you don't give away any of your external intel during a war (i.e. cold war) in the case that you are identifying something by your enemy that might be trying to hide from you. Letting them know you can detect them would be stupid. Also, for similar reasons, record and catalogue every strange phenomenon in…

I don't think one can cover just anything in an open society. Even the truly secret military gear like the original H-bomb, F-117, A-12, anti-powerline bombs, and navy stealth helicopter were impossible to hide completely. At least the fact of their existence was out long before the public saw them. Even in paranoid USSR, people knew of computer guided recon drones, spy sats, Shkvals, Dvinas, R73 and Strelas — all of…

I don't think one can cover just anything in an open society.

If you really want to apply common sense to the hypothesis that aliens are real and here, consider the possibility that aliens themselves have become much more careful since the fifties, just because they know we have more tech to detect and intercept them and governments are no longer able to hide anything.

Or maybe they have a spy net on the ground already.

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Post by dylan604 »

mrfusion wrote: post #112
lolc wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That would be really weird for them to be hiding from us behind the sun. What's in it for them? They arrive in Sol to set up a base but the carbon-based predators on the wet planet must not be disturbed. Why should they care about us in that specific way? That tale sounds a lot like typical human hubris to me.

We hide to observe animals all the time.

We also install remote/un-manned viewing platforms all the time. They sometimes require us to revisit them periodically to collect the data and load fresh media/power/etc. Then we upgraded them to use solar to replenish power, and installed wireless communications to make it so we don't have to visit. Maybe we just need to start listening for rogue broadcasts from our planet for these ET-phone-home devices?

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Post by nradov »

all2 wrote: post #117
nradov wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any potential adversaries are smart enough to realize that if the US military had really invented a fundamental breakthrough they wouldn't be spending a fortune on the B-21 program.

This kind of thing is highly compartmentalized. The decision makers for the budget of the B-21 program probably aren't cleared to know about a program developing an engine that ignores inertia.

No that's incorrect. Decisions on programs the size of the B-21 are made by the USAF Chief of Staff, senior members of the Congressional Armed Services committees, and ultimately by the President. Those people are cleared for everything related to procurement. They couldn't do their jobs otherwise.

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Post by okonomiyaki3000 »

wonderwonder wrote: post #85
baybal2 wrote: post #70

I think if we ever see an alien, he will either fly to us in a completely enormous nuclear rocket which we will spot years before his arrival and deceleration. This is in the case if there is really no other way to traverse stars besides conventional rocketry. But in case if there is a way to trick any of the fundamental physics we know after all, then very likely the guy will come right at our porch, and they've pro…

This assumes they are not coming from some giant station on the other side of our sun, parked there for the last several hundred years. They could also be anywhere in our solar system, that our technology is not advanced enough to detect. We cant really keep track of all the space rocks floating near us and they aren't trying not to be seen.

But why would they have come here hundreds of years ago? They'd have had to leave their planet hundreds (if not thousands) of years before that. Meanwhile, Seinfeld hasn't even reached them yet. What did they find so interesting about our system so many years ago that they would expend the time and energy for such a project? Who is paying for this?

Re: UFO: Pilot who spotted famous Tic Tac breaks silence after 15 years

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Post by bloopernova »

JRKrause wrote: post #47

Is there any part of this footage that can't be explained by a bit of matter stuck on the FLIR lens? Even it being apparently "cold" seems well explained by the dust/bug whatever casting a shadow onto the IR sensor array.

It was captured by radar, and multiple other detection systems.

The object had been observed before the pilot in the link flew. He was told to BOLO - be on the lookout - for this object.

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