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Re: UFO: Pilot who spotted famous Tic Tac breaks silence after 15 years

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Post by narag »

baybal2 wrote: post #70

I think if we ever see an alien, he will either fly to us in a completely enormous nuclear rocket which we will spot years before his arrival and deceleration. This is in the case if there is really no other way to traverse stars besides conventional rocketry. But in case if there is a way to trick any of the fundamental physics we know after all, then very likely the guy will come right at our porch, and they've pro…

And the same goes for things like stealth technology, or inertia control.

We have stealth techonology, don't we?

Inertia control is not needed if you can create a field. The problem with acceleration is that it needs to be transmited from the engine to the human body. That happens through the seat in planes or rockets.

But if you were able to create a field that uniformly affected all the molecules of everything into the ship, including human bodies, you could perform sudden turns without crushing the crew.

Re: UFO: Pilot who spotted famous Tic Tac breaks silence after 15 years

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Post by ojosilva »

wonderwonder wrote: post #114
lolc wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That would be really weird for them to be hiding from us behind the sun. What's in it for them? They arrive in Sol to set up a base but the carbon-based predators on the wet planet must not be disturbed. Why should they care about us in that specific way? That tale sounds a lot like typical human hubris to me.

Why do we have rules about disturbing the tribes in the amazon or the Sentinelese. Maybe there are established rules about contacting primitive cultures? Maybe they are just watching for the Fermi Paradox to take care of us.

We tend to try to predict alien behavior basing it more or less on our own, 10000 year-long history. If intelligent life that travels the billion-old stars actually exists, I doubt we would be able to put their intentions and modus operandi into words with our constrained ideas and limited, lonely planet vocabulary.

Re: UFO: Pilot who spotted famous Tic Tac breaks silence after 15 years

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Post by oh_sigh »

There sure are a lot of "I want to believe"-ers in this thread, who are presumably mostly normal, rational individuals for most of their lives until something like UFOs tickles them the right way.

I bet a lot of these same people have their minds boggled that some people are anti-vaxxers, or think global warming isn't real.

Re: UFO: Pilot who spotted famous Tic Tac breaks silence after 15 years

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Post by multiplegeorges »

blhack wrote: post #66
djsumdog wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Joe Rogan did a great Podcast with one of the pilots in this incident: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eco2s3-0zsQ Here's a short clip from it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnIG-i2WCfg He's really knowledgeable, has a ton of flight experience and carefully details everything his and the other pilots see from their aircraft.

Yeah I loved that episode! I would love to see somebody who could lean against him intellectually interview him though.

This is a criticism that could be made of every Rogan episode.

Re: UFO: Pilot who spotted famous Tic Tac breaks silence after 15 years

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Post by baybal2 »

OrgNet wrote: post #109
baybal2 wrote: post #70

I think if we ever see an alien, he will either fly to us in a completely enormous nuclear rocket which we will spot years before his arrival and deceleration. This is in the case if there is really no other way to traverse stars besides conventional rocketry. But in case if there is a way to trick any of the fundamental physics we know after all, then very likely the guy will come right at our porch, and they've pro…

> I think if we ever see an alien, he will either fly to us in a completely enormous nuclear rocket which we will spot years before his arrival and deceleration. I think that they will teleport here and be minuscule and invisible (at first).

That's the point. If you will ever see a martian on your porch, and you haven't seem a giant nuclear rocket on which he came here, it will be the most direct proof that we missed something really big in our physics theories, something on the level of 5th force, existence of negative mass, or quantum gravity being a thing.

Re: UFO: Pilot who spotted famous Tic Tac breaks silence after 15 years

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Post by catalogia »

CalChris wrote: post #51
awb wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the pilots in this incident was on Rogan saying how they used to fly silently without lights above remote campsites, then once they saw a campfire blast the lights and go straight up. They'd laugh as the UFO reports flowed in. Similarly, the stealth fighter was in operation for 20 years before the public knew about it. It's not unrealistic to consider top secret tech as a possible explanation. One counter poin…

No, the stealth fighter was not in operation for 20 years before the public knew about it. The F-117 was delivered in 1982 and operational in 1983. It was 'declassified' in 1988 and displayed in 1990. And it wasn't even a fighter. It was for ground attack. https://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/f-117.htm

Besides the SR-71/A-12, there were other stealth aircraft that preceded the F-117. The immediate predecessor was Lockheed's Have Blue[0] which was flying in the 70s. Related to Have Blue, there was also Senior Prom[1], which was apparently a scaled down unmanned "cruise missile" variant of Have Blue.

And beyond airplanes, the first stealth helicopters were developed in the late 60s to early 70s and saw limited service during Vietnam. Called The Quiet Ones[2], these helicopters were painted with radar absorbing paint and had several novel mechanisms to reduce their noise, making them stealthy not only to radar but also to ground observers. They were tested over Area 51 and apparently near LA as well, so it seems likely they may have spooked some civilians at one point or another. The infamous "black helicopter" conspiracies/stories started popping up in the 70s, which doesn't seem particularly coincidental when you consider that we now know the The Quiet Ones existed.

The original Quiet Ones are long gone, but it's evident they were replaced by newer stealth helicopters that we don't yet know the names of. We can be pretty sure of this because famously one crashed during the raid on bin Laden[3].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Have_Blue

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Senior_Prom

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Vinh_wiretap#Planning_and_...

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Osama_bin_Laden#Helic...

Re: UFO: Pilot who spotted famous Tic Tac breaks silence after 15 years

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Post by wiml »

JimmyRuska wrote: post #107
CommieBobDole wrote: post #28

As much as I want to believe, I feel like this almost has to be some sort of disinformation campaign, either to cover up some sort of testing that the US military is doing and thinks someone else might have seen, or to make US adversaries think that we've made some sort of fundamental breakthrough and we're ineptly trying to cover it up by calling it a UFO. Probably the latter. Would be interesting to read the articl…

Wouldn't the boring answer be they made something that can disrupt radar systems into creating fantom objects. Creating fake objects that are remarkable would be useful for when distractions are needed. The final QA would be a real in the field test where the observers are not aware of the experiment.

That really does seem like the simplest, most boring explanation to me — some kind of camouflage/countermeasures/stealth technology that makes it really hard to recognize something or to get a reliable indication of its bearing or distance.

Re: UFO: Pilot who spotted famous Tic Tac breaks silence after 15 years

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Post by Recurecur »

narag wrote: post #121
baybal2 wrote: post #70

I think if we ever see an alien, he will either fly to us in a completely enormous nuclear rocket which we will spot years before his arrival and deceleration. This is in the case if there is really no other way to traverse stars besides conventional rocketry. But in case if there is a way to trick any of the fundamental physics we know after all, then very likely the guy will come right at our porch, and they've pro…

And the same goes for things like stealth technology, or inertia control. We have stealth techonology, don't we? Inertia control is not needed if you can create a field. The problem with acceleration is that it needs to be transmited from the engine to the human body. That happens through the seat in planes or rockets. But if you were able to create a field that uniformly affected all the molecules of everything into…

So, positing the video is authentic, which seems likely, here's what we know:

- This object, estimated to be 40 feet in largest dimension, exhibited flight performance beyond an F-18

- These objects exhibit long flight endurance, indicating a high density power source - The object was solid, as it was detected by the Aegis radar

- According to the pilot involved, the object did not obey the laws of physics as we know them

- The object flew without visible airfoils - no wings or rotor - and at low speeds including a hover

- The object allegedly hovered as low as fifty feet above the water, although I don't think this was caught on video

- The object departed the scene in a way the F-18 couldn't match

- The object changed orientation without apparent regard for direction of flight

- The video clearly shows some kind of nimbus, exhaust, or field around the object

If this is a classified project of some government, they've likely discovered new physics.

Personally I doubt that's the case, and these are the product of extraterrestrials.

(BTW, to the grandparent - there's a lot that's not understood by current physics. Dark energy, and dark matter, for starters. A new baryon may have been discovered recently. Quantum gravity. Much more I'm sure...)

Re: UFO: Pilot who spotted famous Tic Tac breaks silence after 15 years

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Post by baybal2 »

CalChris wrote: post #104
gpderetta wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A-12 did stay classified for a while.

There were actually two A-12s. The Lockheed A12 was introduced in 1967 and retired in 1968. The McDonnell Douglass A12 was never built and finally cancelled in 1991. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_A-12 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_A-12_Avenger... The SR71 succeeded the Lockheed A12. It was hard to keep secret. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_SR-71_Blackbird https://nationalinterest.o…

> There were actually two A-12s. The Lockheed A12

I bet this was made on purpose. USA has learned some tricks from Soviets with their "fake patterns"

F-117 wasn't a fighter, and A-12 was not a CAS aircraft. Pretty much like Kirov was not really an "auxiliary craft," and Tu-22 M-1-2-3 were all nearly completely different aircraft

Re: UFO: Pilot who spotted famous Tic Tac breaks silence after 15 years

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Post by Spooky23 »

CalChris wrote: post #51
awb wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the pilots in this incident was on Rogan saying how they used to fly silently without lights above remote campsites, then once they saw a campfire blast the lights and go straight up. They'd laugh as the UFO reports flowed in. Similarly, the stealth fighter was in operation for 20 years before the public knew about it. It's not unrealistic to consider top secret tech as a possible explanation. One counter poin…

No, the stealth fighter was not in operation for 20 years before the public knew about it. The F-117 was delivered in 1982 and operational in 1983. It was 'declassified' in 1988 and displayed in 1990. And it wasn't even a fighter. It was for ground attack. https://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/f-117.htm

I think the gp confused the stealth fighter with cruise missiles.

In the northeast, the Tomahawk missile’s terrain navigation was tested out of a few air bases in the region, for example.

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