This is great news. Vaping is far better for your health than alcohol or cigarettes.
Vaping is less bad, not better.
Teen Marijuana Vaping Soars, Displacing Other Habits
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#172Earlier quoted context omitted.
Indeed, we seem to have ample evidence that Tylenol seems to be strongly associated with autism[1] and weakly with ADHD[2], yet its use is not only widespread but unquestioned. The problem, of course, is that it's complicated; correlation isn't necessarily causation. So how to respond? Should all high school students be taught how to think critically of bioscience results? It's not easy to distill down to distinct us…
Trying to compare Tylenol (Paracet) to drug education is silly. Few folks take Tylenol recreationally and we don't have decades of propaganda around it. Others have already addressed the veracity of your links: But honestly, we already know of the dangers of tylenol. Liver damage with high use. But it isn't always so simple - it doesn't react with drugs as much as NSAID's do, and for some, it is really the only appro…
Ok, I like your message and tone but I have to point out a couple of things where are not quite communicating. You are absolutely right that people can do worse than THC, e.g. alcohol and tobacco. (Although it is unclear if nicotine itself is worse. Worn as a patch it might be as harmless as caffeine.)
The potential dangers of Tylenol/Paracet is not about liver damage. There is an unexplored correlation with behavioral disorders in pregnancy that is not entirely explained away by assuming that people with behavioral problems take more Tylenol. Yet in the widespread population Tylenol is basically considered completely safe, as safe as apple juice.
My point is that drug education is not trivial and is full of unfinished threads, and there is plenty of room for abusing the messages.
Lead in gasoline is my benchmark for how hard it is to know that a drug (atmospheric lead) is having a negative widespread effect in the population (violence and IQ reduction). In that case, it took decades before the data was there, and decades more to build political action on the issue.
Yes, drug education is a good thing, but we also have to know that messages can and must change when data comes back. At what point is the data strong enough to put in high school literature? For example, the research showing a correlation between chronic marijuana use and testicular cancer[1]; should we put that in the literature? It is impossible to say at this point whether that is causal or simply related to a behavior that occurs when using marijuana, or perhaps even hormonal (people that like marijuana have a body chemistry that also maybe produces testicular cancer)? We simply have no idea. So yes, drug education is good, and we need more research on the effects of marijuana, and I don't think we can really speak authoritatively on its risks relative to nicotine or even alcohol. (No, not everyone can lead a normal life while stoned. Learning is most certainly inhibited, and a normal life involves learning things.)
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Yeah, I'd need to see some scientific evidence on how those events were connected. I've never heard of that before, and it's not really logical from what I can understand. And at least we have regulation now, you're welcome to buy weed with less THC. :) >> "Teen Marijuana Vaping Soars" is objectively not great news Bullshit. Smoking is far worse for you than vaping and I'm extremely grateful to read this headline ins…
> I'm extremely grateful to read this headline instead of it being meth, crack, or Fentanyl. How about the headline "teen drug use hits historic lows"? That would be a headline I'd like to read.
I'd like to see a world where "No one cares what you do to your own meat sack" is a headline. And not one from The Onion.
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You can't really A/B test humans. Best thing that could be done is twin studies and even those have flaws. By the way your line of questioning implies an agenda. I don't have an issue with that, but thought I'd highlight that for you.
Everyone has an agenda. What agenda do you think I'm pursuing? Do you think it's one of harm-reduction? Or legalization in pursuit of business opportunities? Or legalization for recreation? Or for medicinal use? Or is my agenda that I have another product in mind that solves all of these things without the side effects of marijuana?
I can appreciate the perspective of "everyone has an agenda".
Some people attempt a almost a fact based conversation that is an exploration of a topic. Others have an opinion they want to push on others. I don't even try to figure out what someone agenda is. I look that there is one and stop focusing too hard right there and then.
I also suspect, I'm not the only one who operates like this.
If I have an agenda, it is to limit emotion in communication and make things more fact based.
This communication is likely to fail.
To reiterate, many people don't care to figure out what the agenda is and just ignore those who has one. Here i'm using agenda to stand for the typical partisan politics or other "normative" behavior.
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Not many folks admit it, but yours isn't the first story I've heard with this. I don't personally have children, and have merely played with other people's children. I can definitely play longer slightly stoned. Most folks aren't getting overly stoned with their children around anyway: More similar to having some wine with dinner, I guess?
This is the kind of thing I always read, but have never seen. I don't doubt you, or Joe Rogan. I've just personally never seen an adult who takes just a couple puffs every once in awhile. In my experience, it is a lifestyle of playing video games and sitting around smoking, unless they are someone who also uses other drugs and/or drinks a lot. It may be anecdotal, but that is the reason it concerns me. It doesn't app…
You've not met that many folks that smoke then. You know the few folks that meet a stereotype. Lots of folks sit around playing video games while sober, btw, and you are basically complaining that they aren't doing something with their life you approve of.
But more seriously, if you were... say... managing a retail store or a lawyer or some other professional position - how many folks would you let know that you smoke occasionally? The more folks you tell, the more chances you have of losing your job. You might lose your house and your children and everything you've worked for.
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Your first source is a bad one but here is a review: [1] The association is really not strong but the authors do advice against indiscriminate paracetamol use. [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29341895 [2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26930528
Is there any alternatives suggested for this medicine?
vaping marijuana. lol
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So I also assume you fully support prohibition of alcohol then? Since it kills 1,000s a year in the US?
This is a foolish argument. 1. Vaping is at the stage where it can be controlled, whereas alcohol is beyond that point. Public health is not best served by a logically coherent approach where every product is treated fairly. 2. Alcohol will not burn your lungs and kill you in a few days at recommended usage levels, whereas vaping random juice apparently will.
How do you suppose you would "control" vaping any more than you can control alcohol? Every idiot knows how to fill a vape cart now
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I've never heard of anything like that happening (and admittedly I'm skeptical) - can you expand on the event that caused you to lose your hearing? What did your doctors say about it?
I had perfect hearing in that ear, smoked a high THC joint, and felt immediately congested. Congestion usually makes hearing diminish temporarily. But the next morning I still felt congested and then spent several weeks trying to yawn it away and get my ear to pop. Three weeks later I went to the doctor who diagnosed me with "sudden nerve deafness". Medically there is no known cause for sudden nerve deafness and the…
Thanks for sharing, hard to tell what to make of that - I think it warrants some investigation though. I wonder if there's anyone who'd want to make an anecdotal report on something like this.
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#179Two of the worst seem to be pulegone (mint flavour) and benzaldehyde (almond). The heating of the compounds is what causes the changes they are OK to eat but not heat and inhale. https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/vaping-liquid-tests-1.5381363
That flavoring is for nicotine e-juice though, I'm sure some people do cut weed carts with it but generally the legitimate carts are made of cannabis extracts called "distillate" or "live resin" and possibly PG (propylene glycol, aka unflavored e-juice) as a cut.
It always struck me as insanely dumb that people would assume food flavoring was also ok to inhale but I don't know what else I expect
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The deaths caused by the THC oil are definitely nothing to scoff at, but they are more reflective of cannabis' 70+ years as a black market product than they are of the effects cannabis has on the human body. The CDC has determined that a high concentration of Vitamin E was the likely cause of lung failure for the afflicted [1]. In my opinion, this reinforces how important regulatory bodies are when it comes to things…
The deaths were caused because vitamin E acetate requires bile salts to be absorbed, which are not present in the lungs. It had nothing to do with THC. https://www.sciencedirect.com/book/9780124166875/essentials-...
Looking back at my comment I see how my language wasn’t as clear as I thought. Thank you for clarifying, this is what I was trying to say.
THC/Cannabinoids weren’t the issue, contaminants in the oil were.