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Teen Marijuana Vaping Soars, Displacing Other Habits

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Re: Teen Marijuana Vaping Soars, Displacing Other Habits

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Post by thatcat »

jklinger410 wrote: post #41
yonaguska wrote: post #29

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From the linked article > Heavy marijuana use in adolescence or early adulthood has been associated with a dismal set of life outcomes including poor school performance, higher dropout rates, increased welfare dependence, greater unemployment and lower life satisfaction.

Considering that Marijuana is illegal, this seems impossible to prove. Show me the development of a teen in a society where open marijuana consumption is a non-issue to compare against.

Right - you can't use drug tests to unfairly weed people out of employment, then list drugs as the cause of unempoyment and poor life outcomes.

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Post by Broken_Hippo »

bdamm wrote: post #52
Broken_Hippo wrote: post #37

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I'm very much for pro-fact-based drug education. Not just for THC, but for the most common things that folks can come into contact with. No scare tactics, just answering questions like what happens to one's body, what "high" feels like, realistic methods of ingestion, and benefits. Unfortunately, the greater public - the government at least - hasn't been so keen on such things because the focus is more on keeping dru…

Indeed, we seem to have ample evidence that Tylenol seems to be strongly associated with autism[1] and weakly with ADHD[2], yet its use is not only widespread but unquestioned. The problem, of course, is that it's complicated; correlation isn't necessarily causation. So how to respond? Should all high school students be taught how to think critically of bioscience results? It's not easy to distill down to distinct us…

Trying to compare Tylenol (Paracet) to drug education is silly. Few folks take Tylenol recreationally and we don't have decades of propaganda around it.

Others have already addressed the veracity of your links: But honestly, we already know of the dangers of tylenol. Liver damage with high use. But it isn't always so simple - it doesn't react with drugs as much as NSAID's do, and for some, it is really the only appropriate option for pain relief.

I'm not suggesting at all that it is safe for teens to vape THC either. I'm not sure where you got this information from my writing. Fact-based education would mean things like telling teens that it is probably best to wait until one is older to start smoking regularly, if one smokes regularly at all. At the same time, we could explain that it if one is going to make a habit of a drug, they could do worse. Alcohol and tobacco are both more difficult for most people to quit and alcohol tends to destroy lives at a greater pace (folks can still lead normal lives while stoned).

You can do all of this without proving that it is safer than lead in gasoline. I don't even know why this is mentioned as it isn't remotely the same category of things. Few folks are going to huff gasoline at the rates folks do other drugs.

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Post by exolymph »

nickthegreek wrote: post #87
umvi wrote: post #68

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Because lighting carbon-based molecules on fire creates thousands of carcinogenic components that are difficult to enumerate. Vapor, on the other hand, (theoretically) contains only 3 chemicals: glycerin, propylene glycol, . In practice though, vapor has probably thousands of compounds as well due to "flavors", additives, and side effects of the heating coil on those things. It's all about perception though. Lighting…

vape flower and you cut out glycerin and propylene glycol.

Nice mellow experience too. Recommend.

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Post by exolymph »

throwaway07Ju19 wrote: post #62
newman8r wrote: post #46

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I've never heard of anything like that happening (and admittedly I'm skeptical) - can you expand on the event that caused you to lose your hearing? What did your doctors say about it?

I had perfect hearing in that ear, smoked a high THC joint, and felt immediately congested. Congestion usually makes hearing diminish temporarily. But the next morning I still felt congested and then spent several weeks trying to yawn it away and get my ear to pop. Three weeks later I went to the doctor who diagnosed me with "sudden nerve deafness". Medically there is no known cause for sudden nerve deafness and the…

By what mechanism would THC have affected your hearing, though?

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Post by cyberpip »

Let them vape just like we, as a society, let people smoke cigarettes, drink alcohol, and consume fast food and sugar. I feel like the trend to outlaw things like kratom and vaping is so hypocritical, I can only assume it's because they compete against big tobacco/pharma, not any kind of altruistic research.

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Post by MS90 »

rconti wrote: post #135
dzhiurgis wrote: post #106

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I find sleep changes really noticeable, so so everyone else. Dreams become very vivid for couple of days to a point of discomfort. When you smoke i never dream. When you stop body overcompensates.

I wonder if it's suppressing REM sleep like alcohol does

It does. My understanding is that THC inhibits REM sleep, and as a result the chemicals that are usually released during the REM phase that cause you to dream do not get released. Once you quit and start having REM sleep again, there's a "backlog" so to speak of the chemicals and more than usual are released, thus causing the extremely vivid dreams.

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Post by Broken_Hippo »

atom_enger wrote: post #154
Broken_Hippo wrote: post #45

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"... who will have anxiety attacks without it." Honestly, I've met many daily smokers in my life. Heck, I've been one off and on and tend to like to do it most weekends. I greatly prefer it to alcohol.Most folks can quit quite easily: At most, a few weeks of decreased appetite and trouble falling asleep. The worst effects wear off in the first week. The few folks I've met that have trouble without it have mental heal…

Not many people would believe that you can be a better parent after consuming cannabis. I'm a much better parent after consuming cannabis. I listen more, play harder and can let go of the parental thoughts that silently occupy my brain when I'm sober and playing with my kids. Cannabis really helps me let go of parental world and enter theirs for just a little while..

Not many folks admit it, but yours isn't the first story I've heard with this. I don't personally have children, and have merely played with other people's children. I can definitely play longer slightly stoned.

Most folks aren't getting overly stoned with their children around anyway: More similar to having some wine with dinner, I guess?

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Post by Pigo »

citruscomputing wrote: post #111
Pigo wrote: post #66

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I'm definitely not trying to blame weed, if people can use it responsibly I say great! The problem is people who have conditions like anxiety who become dependent on it to get by. Some people become alcoholics because they have stuff going on that they can't deal with, and that doesn't mean I think alcohol should be illegal. But just like them, I wish the drug wasn't a numbing agent that prevents them from dealing wi…

How do you feel about people becoming dependent on prescription ADHD medications?

Oh, don't get me started on that. Not just ADHD, but antidepressants and anxiety medication as well. Of course there are people with legitimate needs, and boys who truly can't pay attention, but the over-prescription of these medications is negatively effecting way too many people.

Not working on your issues, and just masking them with a chemical should be a short term solution. These drugs are worse in my opinion, and I could ramble for a long time on my reasons.

The money they cost and dr's never having an exit strategy for the patient, are my biggest concerns. I've never heard of a dr informing a patient on how difficult getting off these things are. Presumably because they want you to take it forever, or they have no clue. And there are definitely too many boys who just don't get the attention they need, or have more energy than someone likes, so their behavior becomes a disease.

I drink sometimes, and have been known to do other things. But I feel like everyone should be striving for the ability to get through life without 'needing' chemicals. Sometimes people forget how wonderful you can feel when you are clean, eating right, and exercising. They start to think they are incomplete without some chemical. Of course we all fail at being perfect, but it's a goal worth struggling towards.

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Post by excalibur »

seattle_spring wrote: post #117
excalibur wrote: post #33

That's wonderful. It's the most dangerous form of vaping and the most dangerous use of cannabis (aside from DUI), finding popularity with one of the most at-risk demographics.

Vaping is the most dangerous use of cannabis? Can you share some citations on that claim?

I was referring to the whole vitamin E acetate fiasco. Smoking marijuana doesn't kill people, at least not directly. Of course this risk decreases if you're not using black-market products, but since marijuana is generally prohibited for teens, they're already guaranteed to be acquiring them through illicit channels. Placing responsibility for their safety in the hands of their drug dealers seems disingenuous.

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Post by Pigo »

Broken_Hippo wrote: post #167
atom_enger wrote: post #154

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Not many people would believe that you can be a better parent after consuming cannabis. I'm a much better parent after consuming cannabis. I listen more, play harder and can let go of the parental thoughts that silently occupy my brain when I'm sober and playing with my kids. Cannabis really helps me let go of parental world and enter theirs for just a little while..

Not many folks admit it, but yours isn't the first story I've heard with this. I don't personally have children, and have merely played with other people's children. I can definitely play longer slightly stoned. Most folks aren't getting overly stoned with their children around anyway: More similar to having some wine with dinner, I guess?

This is the kind of thing I always read, but have never seen. I don't doubt you, or Joe Rogan. I've just personally never seen an adult who takes just a couple puffs every once in awhile. In my experience, it is a lifestyle of playing video games and sitting around smoking, unless they are someone who also uses other drugs and/or drinks a lot.

It may be anecdotal, but that is the reason it concerns me. It doesn't appear to be a positive for the numerous people I've known.

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