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Teen Marijuana Vaping Soars, Displacing Other Habits

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Re: Teen Marijuana Vaping Soars, Displacing Other Habits

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Post by 0x8BADF00D »

tomphoolery wrote: post #78
kalessin wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not a doctor but from what I have been reading, consuming THC on a regular basis before 21 (the commonly accepted age for the latest stage of brain development) is definitely a bad idea, as it will prevent the endocannabinoid system to develop correctly. I would not dismiss teen smoking/vaping as a public health concern, it's not just about counterfeiting, I think we need better education about the risks and ben…

> I am not a doctor but from what I have been reading, consuming THC on a regular basis before 21 (the commonly accepted age for the latest stage of brain development) is definitely a bad idea, as it will prevent the endocannabinoid system to develop correctly. I've been smoking every day since I was 19 (currently 31), and my endocannabinoid system seems perfectly fine. Most of my peers have the same story, or have b…

Weed can trigger latent schizophrenia if used at a younger age. It is not a good idea to use before the brain is developed, especially if one is predisposed to mental illnesses like schizophrenia. It also alters testosterone synthesis, so there’s that too.

Re: Teen Marijuana Vaping Soars, Displacing Other Habits

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Post by mnm1 »

throwaway07Ju19 wrote: post #44
lacker wrote: post #32

This is great news. Vaping is far better for your health than alcohol or cigarettes.

"Teen Marijuana Vaping Soars" is objectively not great news. Subjectively it might be great news if the vaping THC dose was low, but it is not. There is no technology that makes alcohol 100X stronger for todays teen than what it has been historically. But that's not true for THC products. On a personal note, I lost my hearing in one ear immediately after trying a strong MJ product. I just assumed it was congestion at…

You can inhale alcohol vapors. That's way more than 100% stronger. The tech exists. People might not use it cause they don't want to die. That's different. Your conclusion about losing your hearing from TCH is just fucking bullshit. Prove it.

Re: Teen Marijuana Vaping Soars, Displacing Other Habits

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Post by MiroF »

SkyBelow wrote: post #54
kalessin wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not a doctor but from what I have been reading, consuming THC on a regular basis before 21 (the commonly accepted age for the latest stage of brain development) is definitely a bad idea, as it will prevent the endocannabinoid system to develop correctly. I would not dismiss teen smoking/vaping as a public health concern, it's not just about counterfeiting, I think we need better education about the risks and ben…

>before 21 (the commonly accepted age for the latest stage of brain development) Last I remember from my psychology classes, it was 25 to 28. 21 feels like a number picked to reflect law and cultural norms, not the science. But my information is a decade out of date and there could have been new findings since.

I haven't seen studies supporting 25-28. Most studies support a slightly lower number than 21, but not much lower.

Re: Teen Marijuana Vaping Soars, Displacing Other Habits

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Post by MiroF »

guelo wrote: post #49
kalessin wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not a doctor but from what I have been reading, consuming THC on a regular basis before 21 (the commonly accepted age for the latest stage of brain development) is definitely a bad idea, as it will prevent the endocannabinoid system to develop correctly. I would not dismiss teen smoking/vaping as a public health concern, it's not just about counterfeiting, I think we need better education about the risks and ben…

Pro-legalization activists always over-claim marijuana's safety which has led to the claimed safety entering pop culture and becoming widely believed. The truth is that there is little solid research into the question.

Hard to do research when marijuana is illegal.

Re: Teen Marijuana Vaping Soars, Displacing Other Habits

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Post by Gatsky »

alistproducer2 wrote: post #23

>Vaping of marijuana was at the root of a public health crisis that unfolded this summer The fact that it takes the author two more paragraphs to elucidate that the illness was in fact linked to bootleg, vitamin E-containing cartridges is disappointing, but not surprisingly. That fact seems really material to the argument.

The investigation is ongoing, vitamin E is not confirmed as the causal agent.

Anyway, the problem is actually people inhaling random chemicals, a problem which vaping has gifted to us. There will be other cases of lung injury unrelated to vitamin E.

Frankly, even 1 more dead guy is too many, I support a total ban on vaping.

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Post by dls2016 »

Broken_Hippo wrote: post #45
Pigo wrote: post #15

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I know people who are extremely dependent on weed, who will have anxiety attacks without it. It's less dangerous than most drugs, but there are people who are important to me that I wish could function without it. I'm talking grown adults, with families, who do nothing but play video games. Their problems would exist without the weed, but it seems to play a part in their stagnation. I guess I just don't know that man…

"... who will have anxiety attacks without it." Honestly, I've met many daily smokers in my life. Heck, I've been one off and on and tend to like to do it most weekends. I greatly prefer it to alcohol.Most folks can quit quite easily: At most, a few weeks of decreased appetite and trouble falling asleep. The worst effects wear off in the first week. The few folks I've met that have trouble without it have mental heal…

> I mean, sure, it makes you more happy with a slightly messier house and more happy just being

From my experience, this feeling comes from SSRIs and not cannabis. The former uniformly masks my anxieties whereas the latter only takes away the inhibition of thinking critically about your actions and their consequences... I find cannabis is a crutch for meditation.

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Post by nickthegreek »

umvi wrote: post #68
trianglem wrote: post #65

I don’t understand why everyone moved away from directly smoking the flowers so readily. I hated the idea of shatter/resin when I first heard it and there is no way I would use a vape pen.

Because lighting carbon-based molecules on fire creates thousands of carcinogenic components that are difficult to enumerate. Vapor, on the other hand, (theoretically) contains only 3 chemicals: glycerin, propylene glycol, . In practice though, vapor has probably thousands of compounds as well due to "flavors", additives, and side effects of the heating coil on those things. It's all about perception though. Lighting…

vape flower and you cut out glycerin and propylene glycol.

Re: Teen Marijuana Vaping Soars, Displacing Other Habits

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Post by Solvitieg »

drdeadringer wrote: post #51
JimboOmega wrote: post #35

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Those who use heavily in Adolescence can lose something like 6 or 8 IQ points, among other negative effects. Those who start as adults and stop don't seem to have the same effects[1], but it is unclear how much that reflects lower baseline IQ of users vs. the impact of marijuana itself. [1] https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/mari...

I would like some perspective on what a 6-8 IQ point difference actually means in real life. I know IQ is on a curve so if I'm on the lower end and dope up I might not qualify for the military against had I not doped up by such a margin window. For an average person, what can the person sitting next to me do +8 IQ that I can't? What can the person sitting in front of me not do at -8 IQ that I can? Granted I've encoun…

It's a good question. Arguably more important, are the side-effects permanent? Or has this IQ drop only been measured during cannabis consumption?

Re: Teen Marijuana Vaping Soars, Displacing Other Habits

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Post by tannedNerd »

Gatsky wrote: post #85
alistproducer2 wrote: post #23

>Vaping of marijuana was at the root of a public health crisis that unfolded this summer The fact that it takes the author two more paragraphs to elucidate that the illness was in fact linked to bootleg, vitamin E-containing cartridges is disappointing, but not surprisingly. That fact seems really material to the argument.

The investigation is ongoing, vitamin E is not confirmed as the causal agent. Anyway, the problem is actually people inhaling random chemicals, a problem which vaping has gifted to us. There will be other cases of lung injury unrelated to vitamin E. Frankly, even 1 more dead guy is too many, I support a total ban on vaping.

So I also assume you fully support prohibition of alcohol then? Since it kills 1,000s a year in the US?

Re: Teen Marijuana Vaping Soars, Displacing Other Habits

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Post by SkyBelow »

MiroF wrote: post #83
SkyBelow wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>before 21 (the commonly accepted age for the latest stage of brain development) Last I remember from my psychology classes, it was 25 to 28. 21 feels like a number picked to reflect law and cultural norms, not the science. But my information is a decade out of date and there could have been new findings since.

I haven't seen studies supporting 25-28. Most studies support a slightly lower number than 21, but not much lower.

25 to 28 is when the myelination of the brain finishes.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/medicine-and-dentistry/...

>Further myelination of subcortical and cortical tracts continues in the posterior to anterior direction well into the third decade of life, consistent with the time course of maturation of cognitive functions in children and adolescents.

Mish Shoykhet, Robert S.B. Clark, in Pediatric Critical Care (Fourth Edition), 2011

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