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India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by dragonsh »

timbuck2 wrote: post #242
dragonsh wrote: post #148

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Why you try to repeat the Indian government propaganda. Just make one correction first Bangladesh is a secular nation like India with Muslim majority. This is the wisdom and adherence to secularism of India’s administration during that time (not sure but it was Indira Gandhi at that time, who insisted that Bangladesh should be a secular country like India, after it was freed by Indian military). This was overturned b…

Persecuted muslims have more than 50 islamic countries to go to. Persecuted Sikhs, Jains, Buddhists, Hindus have only India.

> Persecuted Sikhs, Jains, Buddhists, Hindus have only India.

Get your facts right before claiming something. For Buddhists India is not a good country as refugee, Dalai Lama and others have been in India for over 40 years, they are still considered as refugee not given passports, they travel as stateless (they are persecuted buddhist with evidence and proof). Top 10 places by population for buddhists in the world are China, Thailand, Myanmmar, Japan, Sri Lanka, Taiwan, Korea. [1]

For Hindu's it's the same story. Tamil Hindus persecuted in Sri Lanka who came to India are still stateless and are considered refugees, so India failed to even help Hindus. Also for your information following are the places with large Hindu Population Indonesia, Nepal, Malaysia, Bangladesh (it's a secular country), Sri Lanka [2].

So don't claim they don't have a place to go as India itself rejected Tamil Hindus and did not grant them any rights and this CAA still excludes them, because it will deteriorate India's relations with Sri Lanka.

India has the second highest population of Muslim's in the world, higher then Pakistan according to Pew Research [3]. Being a secular country it has to give equal status to any prosecuted individual irrespective of religion. So this NRC+CAA is against the very idea of India and principles of its foundations.

Hopefully instead of this government driven propaganda people look at real numbers will notice that the whole exercise of NRC+CAA is done with malicious intent, there is nothing good in it with dates set arbitrarily.

This is done by learning from British system of dividing India along Muslim and Hindu to stay as authoritative power as long as possible.

[1] http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/history/bstatt10.htm

[2] https://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/world-top-ten-coun...

[3] https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/04/01/the-countri...

Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by vms20591 »

RealityVoid wrote: post #239
quantummkv wrote: post #180

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This reply is incredibly lacking in empathy. It's horrifying to regard genocide and death so nonchalantly.

Exactly. People with such overly idealist mindset don't think through the fact that, what they consider to be a safe bubble around them, will eventually be shrunken by someone/some group, with even bigger mindset.

Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by vms20591 »

baud147258 wrote: post #205
vijaybritto wrote: post #159

This is a monstrous law. The first step is to make millions of people illegal. Next is to give all but Muslims citizenship. Muslims would be stripped off their right to vote. Even hitler would be inspired from such evil plans. (Also from the comments everyone can see how heartless people can be)

I don't think Hitler ever bothered by passing bills and announcing to the world what he was about to do.

I think you should give this a read. How the Reich systematically did their deeds.

Argument about CAB, should also include its counterpart NRC. When NRC is applied, you "exclude people" as illegal immigrants, and in CAB, you "include people" as legal, leaving out others. These laws can and will be amended as per the state's interest, which ultimately decides who to include or exclude.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Laws

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Post by cafard »

enugu wrote: post #234
vijaybritto wrote: post #165

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Exactly, so it is a good thing that Hindus who have emigrated from an actual genocide(not a speculation) with scant notice in major media both in India and abroad, are finally getting a chance at citizenship Given the opposition, the CAA law might be struck down. The absurdity of much of this thread is that measures which help active victims of genocide are being opposed. The book Blood Telegram, by Gary Bass about a…

Weren't those primarily Muslims who were killed in the then East Pakistan? Anyway, that's who the state was was set up for.

Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by ninni »

timbuck2 wrote: post #226
pavish wrote: post #64

For those of you supporting the government's take on this, and their argument that proper documentation is all it takes for being included in the NRC, how do you care to explain that the family of the former president of India 'Fakhruddin Ali Ahmed' was left out of NRC? CAB is just an anti-muslim filter, and it's downright unethical. https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/former-president-fakhr... Edit: If CAB was tru…

Rohingyas are mostly Hindus? https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2018/05/myanmar-new-e...

2.5% of Rohingya are Hindu. Not that it matters, given your predilections.

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Post by yumraj »

pavish wrote: post #114
yumraj wrote: post #109

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This law applies to refugees, not to Indian citizens. So still unclear on the confusion.

Any Indian citizen knows how poor documentation is in India. People born after 1970, those who have born and lived all their life in India, those who hold school certificates, voter IDs, even Passports, can only prove their citizenship by providing documents of their ancestors. How can anyone justify this?

That is plain and simple FUD

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Post by yumraj »

psankar wrote: post #104
yumraj wrote: post #58

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Secular should never have been there anyway. India was partitioned on the basis of religion, so how did we end up with one (now two) Islamic countries and one secular. Regardless how you look at it, Hindus got the short end of the stick.

What absolute non-sense! There is no such religion called Hinduism. An average Hindu Punjabi has more in common with an average Muslim Pakistani (Language, Food, Music, etc.) than a Hindu Tamilian. But the Punjabi/Rajasthani and Tamilian or both clubbed into a single Hindu religion. A Tamilian sacrifices Goat to his God. But this is not accepted by the Brahminic Hinduism as a way of worship in their temples. But all…

Name may be modern, but Hinduism refers to Sanatan Dharm that is indigenous to India.

Let's not confuse religion with culture. By the above logic:

An average Pakistani has more in common with Hindu/Sikh Punjabi. A Bangladeshi had more in common with Hindu Bengali. Indonesian Muslims have more in common with Malay. Central Asians with watch other than Arabs, Africans with each other. Yet, there is singular Islam. Same goes for every other religion.

Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by yumraj »

mlnj wrote: post #135
yumraj wrote: post #100

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I'm not going against the Constitution. I respect it the way it is. I'm simply stating that things are never as simple as they seem.

Throughout this thread you have commented lies about the partition and India as a religion based country. India was not and is not a country based on religion. You cannot be more wrong about it. Pakistan chose to be a Islamic Republic while India had all different kinds of people wanted to live as a free country after the British left. Religion was the last thing on anyone's mind. The freedom struggle was lead by peo…

Please name one lie about the partition that I have stated in my comments.
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