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Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by quantummkv » Wed, Dec 18, 2019, 6:58 AM UTC

smnrchrds wrote: post #69

yumraj wrote: post #62

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Because India is providing refuge to Hindus and other minorities who are being persecuted in neighboring Islamic nations. In Pakistan Hindu teenagers are regularly abducted, converted to Islam and married away. India is giving refuge to these people. Muslims are not similarly persecuted in Islamic nations.

Giving persecuted religious groups refuge is a noble act. What is ignoble is the fact that they have exempted Muslims from refuge, while there is a literal genocide against the Muslim minority (Rohingya) happening in their neighbouring country, Myanmar. A country with which they share more than 1600 km of border. How could this act be interpreted as anything but a action to further victimize and marginalize the Musli…

India is not the historic homeland of the Muslims. Arabia is. They should be the ones taking other Muslims in, given the fact they have ample resources to do this.

Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by sbmthakur » Wed, Dec 18, 2019, 7:00 AM UTC

smnrchrds wrote: post #69

yumraj wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because India is providing refuge to Hindus and other minorities who are being persecuted in neighboring Islamic nations. In Pakistan Hindu teenagers are regularly abducted, converted to Islam and married away. India is giving refuge to these people. Muslims are not similarly persecuted in Islamic nations.

Giving persecuted religious groups refuge is a noble act. What is ignoble is the fact that they have exempted Muslims from refuge, while there is a literal genocide against the Muslim minority (Rohingya) happening in their neighbouring country, Myanmar. A country with which they share more than 1600 km of border. How could this act be interpreted as anything but a action to further victimize and marginalize the Musli…

That's not the entire truth. Myanmar doesn't have any state religion. And even Hindus from Myanmar, who have suffered violence are not covered in the amendment.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2018/05/myanmar-new-e...

Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by yumraj » Wed, Dec 18, 2019, 7:01 AM UTC

sbmthakur wrote: post #81

pavish wrote: post #59

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Then why would the ruling party express dismay over hindus who were termed as illegal immigrants. They made the process easier, basically providing immediate citizenship for hindus and other minorities, excluding muslims. This is downright unethical and should be regarded as a crime.

There's no immediate citizenship to anyone. They will need to prove that they have come from neighboring countries who have Islam as their state religion.

Actually I personally think that that should be changed.

Post partition it is India's moral responsibility to provide a home to minorities from neighboring Islamic countries.

Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by psankar » Wed, Dec 18, 2019, 7:01 AM UTC

yumraj wrote: post #58

casouniquo wrote: post #44

This is bad and I fear that the next thing they are going to do is remove socialist and secular from Preamble which was added in the 42nd amendment in 1976

Secular should never have been there anyway. India was partitioned on the basis of religion, so how did we end up with one (now two) Islamic countries and one secular. Regardless how you look at it, Hindus got the short end of the stick.

What absolute non-sense! There is no such religion called Hinduism. An average Hindu Punjabi has more in common with an average Muslim Pakistani (Language, Food, Music, etc.) than a Hindu Tamilian. But the Punjabi/Rajasthani and Tamilian or both clubbed into a single Hindu religion.

A Tamilian sacrifices Goat to his God. But this is not accepted by the Brahminic Hinduism as a way of worship in their temples. But all of these are merged into a false identity of "Hindu".

Who is a hindu according to Indian law ? One who is not Muslim or Christian or Jain. Because there is nothing else that commonly unites them. Hindu is a western term for the land beyond Indus and it is not a religion for all these years (until the politicians decided to use it to suit their purposes). Saivam, Vaishnavism, etc. were the original religions of this land. Not this abomination called Hindutva.

Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by sbmthakur » Wed, Dec 18, 2019, 7:04 AM UTC

goombastic wrote: post #5

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> They have effectively asked all Indian citizens to prove they are Indians or otherwise be interned.

I am an Indian citizen in India. Haven't received any such notification.

Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by yumraj » Wed, Dec 18, 2019, 7:04 AM UTC

smt1 wrote: post #75

yumraj wrote: post #62

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Because India is providing refuge to Hindus and other minorities who are being persecuted in neighboring Islamic nations. In Pakistan Hindu teenagers are regularly abducted, converted to Islam and married away. India is giving refuge to these people. Muslims are not similarly persecuted in Islamic nations.

> Muslims are not similarly persecuted in Islamic nations. That's a gross generalization. See for example, the Ahmadis in Pakistan. Or more generally, the whole Sunni vs Shia split. India is supposed to be a secular country. Anyways, most of the recent rukkus is in Assam and northeastern India. Most of the people fleeing Bangladesh aren't doing so because of religious persecution; that country doesn't have nearly as…

Personally I think Ahmadis, who Pakistan doesn't consider Muslims, should be given refuge in India.

If Pakistanis persecute Ahmadis, who are Muslims, we from outside cannot even imagine the day to day life of Hindus, Sikhs, Christians, Buddhists and others in Pakistan.

Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by smt1 » Wed, Dec 18, 2019, 7:05 AM UTC

sbmthakur wrote: post #86

smt1 wrote: post #75

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> Muslims are not similarly persecuted in Islamic nations. That's a gross generalization. See for example, the Ahmadis in Pakistan. Or more generally, the whole Sunni vs Shia split. India is supposed to be a secular country. Anyways, most of the recent rukkus is in Assam and northeastern India. Most of the people fleeing Bangladesh aren't doing so because of religious persecution; that country doesn't have nearly as…

Ahmadis and Shias are victims of sectarian conflict. CAA only covers religious persecution. By your reasoning, CAB should've also covered LGBTQ, atheists, disabled and those sufferering political persecution. But it's not possible to accommodate everyone and every form of persecution in one bill.

Sectarian conflict isn't religious persecution? Most of the other religious minorities, just like Ahmadis and some Shia groups are persecuted via the same Pakistan's blasphemy laws.

Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by sbmthakur » Wed, Dec 18, 2019, 7:10 AM UTC

Scipio_Afri wrote: post #3

reactspa wrote: post #2

1. Nobody was stripped of citizenship. They couldn't prove they had it in the first place. 2. You won't learn this from the media's narrative about it, but: the reason why most protestors are protesting the Citizenship Amendment is not because muslim refugees (from Pak., Bangla. and Afghan.) are excluded, but because everyone else (non-muslim refugees [i.e. persecuted religious minorities from these officially "Islam…

This seems like a really misinformed comment. Why would the protests be occurring most strongly in predominately Muslim areas? This is backed up by numerous international media reports, including comments from people who are protesting. "NEW DELHI—Protests against a new citizenship law favoring non-Muslim immigrants erupted in violence in a Muslim-dominated part of the Indian capital where communal tensions have flar…

You forgot one important detail. All those three countries have Islam as their state religion and Muslims are unlikely to be persecuted there on religious grounds.

And while Police action on Jamia students is condemnable, it must be noted that protestors did get violent and the Police had to resort to strong measures as a response.

Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by yumraj » Wed, Dec 18, 2019, 7:12 AM UTC

pavish wrote: post #98

yumraj wrote: post #91

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This law applies to refugees from neighboring countries, to imply otherwise is wrong. It does not apply to Indian citizen regardless of religion.

> Perhaps the current generation has an issue with Hindus getting the short end of the stick. I belong to the current generation, I am hindu and I do not believe that. India's secular nature is what binds this country together. I do not want my friends to be persecuted in the country they were born in and lived all their life, because they belong to another religion. This is against every core value the constitution…

This law applies to refugees, not to Indian citizens. So still unclear on the confusion.

Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by smt1 » Wed, Dec 18, 2019, 7:13 AM UTC

nchiring wrote: post #79

gagorder wrote: post #25

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For Assamese the 'outsiders' are anyone from not Assam. It means the citizens from other parts of India themselves like from Bengal, Bihar

I am from Assam. Your view is a blatant lie. My immediate right and rear neighboring families in my village are of Bihari origin and they have been living for 4 generations. This is just a small example. Thousands of people who were originally from rest of India have been living there. People of Assam are not protesting against the Indian citizens that have come from the rest of India and settled in Assam. Assamese p…

There has always been anti-bengali sentiment in assam, even under the British. It was one of the reasons Assam was split away from Bengal in the first place. My family is from the Siliguri Corridor, bordering Assam, and there are plenty of people (from various ethnic groups) living there that migrated not only from Bangladesh/East Bengal but other parts of Assam/North East India in order to flee violence.