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India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by yumraj »

pavish wrote: post #83
yumraj wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This government is going nuts trying to create a hindu muslim divide. Create a Hindu-Muslim divide? If it is being created now, then how come India was partioned in 1947 on religious basis?

If you are clear with the partition of India, Pakistan divided itself from India to be a primarily Muslim country. India on the other hand, chose to be secular. India is home to all major religions in the world. And now we are taking a step backwards by creating this divide. Many of these people speak the same language, have the same culture and have lived their whole life in India, and the government just decides to…

This law applies to refugees from neighboring countries, to imply otherwise is wrong.

It does not apply to Indian citizen regardless of religion.

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Post by nilsocket »

For all the messy comments against Indian government, To make things clear.

CAB (Citizenship Amendment Bill) made for illegal migrants from Pakistan, Afghanistan, Bangladesh (Three Islamic countries).

Who is an illegal migrant: Anybody who came to India after 1971 from these countries.

To whom does this rule apply: Illegal migrants who entered India till 2014.

What does it say: If one came to India before 2014 and stayed in India for certain years, they can become India citizens.

How many years: For Hindu, Sikh, Christian, Jain, Buddhist and Parsi 5years. For Muslims 11years.

Why segregation based on religion? Because of persecution of minorities in Pakistan, Bangladesh, Afghanistan. Pakistan, Non-Muslim population fell from 23% to 3%. Bangladesh, Non-Muslim population fell from 22% to 8%. Afghanistan, I don't know. Because, religious minorities from these three countries don't have any other place to go except India.

NRC (National Register for Citizens) is aimed at moving illegal immigrants to detention camps or they are free to leave to there actual country. During NRC one(Everybody in India) needs to prove there citizenship.

This Bill is applicable only for illegal immigrants(It has got nothing to do with Indian Citizens), If somebody wants to come to India legally, they can come.

Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by quantummkv »

pavish wrote: post #59
yumraj wrote: post #54

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Freedom in their own country, not in someone else's country. This is for illegal immigrants. No country in the world blindly accepts illegal immigrants.

Then why would the ruling party express dismay over hindus who were termed as illegal immigrants. They made the process easier, basically providing immediate citizenship for hindus and other minorities, excluding muslims. This is downright unethical and should be regarded as a crime.

Because the Hindus are other minorities (Sikhs, Buddihsts, Jians, etc) are historically from India. Its their homeland and they are persecuted elsewhere, mostly in Pakistan (read about what they did in 1971 war in bangladesh. That was a genocide)

Israel provides citizenship to any persecuted Jews that come for refuge to their homeland. This has been widely accepted in the world. Then why should it be illegal for India?

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Post by psankar »

routerhash wrote: post #4

This is not a case of `stripped of citizenship`. India just built detention camps for illegal immigrants in the country. I think every country in the world does this to illegal immigrants (and later deported). The protests that are happening in the eastern part of India is against giving citizenship to illegal immigrants.

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Post by random314 »

quantummkv wrote: post #78
random314 wrote: post #74

I found this image that seems to sum it up https://i.redd.it/52yh38os3b541.jpg

It's as genuine as the Russian propaganda being spread in the US. The only difference is that it's Pakistan spreading the propaganda here.

Yeah sure, it is Pakistan dude. /s

Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by sbmthakur »

mlnj wrote: post #66
yumraj wrote: post #62

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Because India is providing refuge to Hindus and other minorities who are being persecuted in neighboring Islamic nations. In Pakistan Hindu teenagers are regularly abducted, converted to Islam and married away. India is giving refuge to these people. Muslims are not similarly persecuted in Islamic nations.

If Muslims are not persecuted in similar ways why not open the refugee status to such cases if they may arise? Why bar them on basis of religion?

How can Muslims be religiously persecuted in countries with Islam as their state religion? Note that the amendment only deals with only religious persecution. Other forms of persecution, which could be sectarian, linguistic, ethnic, political etc. are not covered by the amendment.

Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by whoopdedo »

_bxg1 wrote: post #52

Man. What is it with this wave of nationalistic zealotry that seems to be sweeping most of the world? Has it just been long enough since World War 2 that it's already time to re-learn these lessons?

A response to the threat of global warming. Historically major climate events have been a strong indicator of wars. Researchers have been predicting this for a while.

Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by pavish »

yumraj wrote: post #91
pavish wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you are clear with the partition of India, Pakistan divided itself from India to be a primarily Muslim country. India on the other hand, chose to be secular. India is home to all major religions in the world. And now we are taking a step backwards by creating this divide. Many of these people speak the same language, have the same culture and have lived their whole life in India, and the government just decides to…

This law applies to refugees from neighboring countries, to imply otherwise is wrong. It does not apply to Indian citizen regardless of religion.

> Perhaps the current generation has an issue with Hindus getting the short end of the stick.

I belong to the current generation, I am hindu and I do not believe that.

India's secular nature is what binds this country together. I do not want my friends to be persecuted in the country they were born in and lived all their life, because they belong to another religion.

This is against every core value the constitution of India was drafted upon.

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Post by vinni2 »

dragonsh wrote: post #41
deepGem wrote: post #28

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This is beyond bad. The government has slowly inched to their religions roots and have made religious segregation their primary mandate. I mean, at this rate, we will be no different from Saudi Arabia or other countries where religion dominates all policy decisions. I don't know if Modi is a hard core religious fanatic or if his hands are just tied down by RSS brass who are most likely inciting this nonsense, especia…

It will be shameful to be an Indian and not to oppose it, this is completely against the idea of India and the foundations of India. Today Gandhi and all the martyrs of Indian freedom struggle must be crying in their graves. India turned into a religious dictatorship with a handful of politicians using divide and rule and slowly peeling the democracy one layer at a time (by draconian laws, infringing human rights, in…

You would be surprised how many highly educated Indians even those who live in the west support Modi and all this.

I remember in the Bay Area some Indians were campaigning and raising funds for Modi. I was shocked.

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Post by yumraj »

benjoseph wrote: post #84
yumraj wrote: post #58

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Secular should never have been there anyway. India was partitioned on the basis of religion, so how did we end up with one (now two) Islamic countries and one secular. Regardless how you look at it, Hindus got the short end of the stick.

Now you are going against the constitutioon itself, I don't think anypoint replying to you with facts.

I'm not going against the Constitution. I respect it the way it is.

I'm simply stating that things are never as simple as they seem.

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