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India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by sbmthakur »

pavish wrote: post #59
yumraj wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Freedom in their own country, not in someone else's country. This is for illegal immigrants. No country in the world blindly accepts illegal immigrants.

Then why would the ruling party express dismay over hindus who were termed as illegal immigrants. They made the process easier, basically providing immediate citizenship for hindus and other minorities, excluding muslims. This is downright unethical and should be regarded as a crime.

There's no immediate citizenship to anyone. They will need to prove that they have come from neighboring countries who have Islam as their state religion.

Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by DefeatFascists »

This is not about migrants, if so why are Indian muslims waiting in queue right now to verify their identify all of the sudden? Including those whose family has been in India for generations and those whose father/grandfather has fought for independence?

This ACT and subsequent measures to enforce this act creates religion as the only identity and muslims being the only major religion being left out of this Act; they are by default forced to verify their identity. How many in India do you think can prove their grandfather's identiy? Especially when they don't know if they can get a dinner today.

Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by pavish »

yumraj wrote: post #65
goombastic wrote: post #5

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> This government is going nuts trying to create a hindu muslim divide. Create a Hindu-Muslim divide? If it is being created now, then how come India was partioned in 1947 on religious basis?

If you are clear with the partition of India, Pakistan divided itself from India to be a primarily Muslim country. India on the other hand, chose to be secular. India is home to all major religions in the world.

And now we are taking a step backwards by creating this divide. Many of these people speak the same language, have the same culture and have lived their whole life in India, and the government just decides to stripe them from their citizenship, because they belong to a specific religion?

How is this in any manner ethical?

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Post by benjoseph »

yumraj wrote: post #58
casouniquo wrote: post #44

This is bad and I fear that the next thing they are going to do is remove socialist and secular from Preamble which was added in the 42nd amendment in 1976

Secular should never have been there anyway. India was partitioned on the basis of religion, so how did we end up with one (now two) Islamic countries and one secular. Regardless how you look at it, Hindus got the short end of the stick.

Now you are going against the constitutioon itself, I don't think anypoint replying to you with facts.

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Post by sbmthakur »

smt1 wrote: post #75
yumraj wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because India is providing refuge to Hindus and other minorities who are being persecuted in neighboring Islamic nations. In Pakistan Hindu teenagers are regularly abducted, converted to Islam and married away. India is giving refuge to these people. Muslims are not similarly persecuted in Islamic nations.

> Muslims are not similarly persecuted in Islamic nations. That's a gross generalization. See for example, the Ahmadis in Pakistan. Or more generally, the whole Sunni vs Shia split. India is supposed to be a secular country. Anyways, most of the recent rukkus is in Assam and northeastern India. Most of the people fleeing Bangladesh aren't doing so because of religious persecution; that country doesn't have nearly as…

Ahmadis and Shias are victims of sectarian conflict. CAA only covers religious persecution. By your reasoning, CAB should've also covered LGBTQ, atheists, disabled and those sufferering political persecution. But it's not possible to accommodate everyone and every form of persecution in one bill.

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Post by DefeatFascists »

_bxg1 wrote: post #52

Man. What is it with this wave of nationalistic zealotry that seems to be sweeping most of the world? Has it just been long enough since World War 2 that it's already time to re-learn these lessons?

And HN moves any such thread out of frontpage and buries it as soon as possible. I saw this with Australia's demotion of democracy thread. Btw, India's democracy status has been demoted already to 'repressed' before this Act became active.

u/dang , I respectfully enquire why this thread and any other thread discussing about democracy, opression, freedom of speech gets demoted quickly? I understand that there could be heated debates in such thread; but I don't see these threads itself as a violation of HN rules.

Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by yumraj »

benjoseph wrote: post #80
yumraj wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because Hindus and other minorities are not being persecuted for their religion in non-Islamic neighboring countries. Every few days there is a report in Pak media where yet another Hindu teenager girl is abducted and converted to Islam. It is India's right and duty to provide refuge to these people. Surely you can't argue that Muslims are being prosecuted in such a manner in Islamic countries.

So just take revenge on Muslims who had been born in this country and calling it their motherland?

This law doesn't apply to them.

This applies to refugees from neighboring countries. What is wrong with that?

Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by quantummkv »

> For a government which has attained a historical majority for the second time, just imagine the impact they can have if they focussed this energy on improving economic and human-life indicators instead.

The government in its election pitch made this one of the major points that they would execute if they came to power. So please don't be under the assumption that the people that voted don't want this to be implemented.

Think of it as technical debt in the codebase. It has to be addressed before you can execute a growth strategy on your product or it will come to haunt you later.

Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by DefeatFascists »

yumraj wrote: post #85

To those who are questioning why, this is why (reports from Pakistan's most reputed news paper) https://www.google.com/search?q=Hindu+girl+converted+site%3A... Or feel free to search "Hindu girl converted site:dawn.com"

Then why Indian muslims are verifyng their grandfather's identiy now?
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