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Post by Consultant32452 »

pjc50 wrote: post #32
Consultant32452 wrote: post #13

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Yes, of course. It's visible in many subtle ways. One example is uniforms. Another is how "social studies" now stands where "history" once stood. Nearly 20% of high school graduates are illiterate. A highs school diploma signals something, but it's not being educated. Some amount of education does occur, but it's incidental to social indoctrination, keeping parents' wages high by forcing kids out of the job market, e…

> Nearly 20% of high school graduates are illiterate That's America's choice to have a failing system, not a universal property of schooling.

A universal property of state run schooling is that schools are literal prisons for children and for many people is the only place they'll experience violence first hand. The finer details will vary by location.

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Post by Guillaume86 »

moccachino wrote: post #23
reportgunner wrote: post #21

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> We are everyday learning more about how much intelligence and consciousness something like cows posses How can I join this learning ?

Regarding crows, here is a start: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21769575

Cows Crows

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

praptak wrote: post #3

Makes one reflect on how much do we take for granted when it comes to ethics. I remember a (googleable) exchange of letters between the former owner and an ex-slave. The former was genuinely hurt by slave's betrayal and urged them to go back. There were people for whom owning other people was so normalized that they were actually angry at their former slaves. I wonder if any of our current practices will be viewed as…

https://www.facinghistory.org/reconstruction-era/letter-jour...

I don't know that the former master was genuinely hurt as much as he was trying to get some more free labor.

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Post by wholepointofcc »

ceautery wrote: post #12

> I wonder if any of our current practices will be viewed as barbaric. The US jailed 70,000 migrant children this year. I doubt history will smile on that.

What responsibility is bore by the parents who willingly took them into a country where they know they would have a high likelihood of being mistreated?

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Post by youdontknowtho »

humanrebar wrote: post #35
pjc50 wrote: post #31

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There is almost no "late term" "prophylactic" abortion anywhere. Late term abortion is usually driven by medical necessity. Denying this reality gets women killed by withholding medical treatment from them. It was the death of Savita Halappanavar as a result of this policy that ultimately triggered the liberalisation of abortion in Ireland.

Let's not attack straw men. It's also barbaric to ban medically necessary procedures. Besides, frequency of an event isn't a defense against charges of barbarism. Lobotomies, the Tuskegee Experiment, and eugenic sterilization weren't all that common, but they were barbaric.

It's easy to make abortion seem barbaric in a HN comment thread. The lives of people are complicated and messy. Your opinion about how other people should conduct their personal lives shouldn't extend to family planning. Period.

If we are being honest, open heart surgery is barbaric. They cut people open and then break all their ribs.

It's not assault or murder, for a variety of reasons that I'm not going to go into.

Further, experience tells me that granting good faith in these arguments is usually a bad idea. I oppose the right-wing on every issue. Abortion is particularly important in this context because it normalizes state based oppression against women.

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Post by dublin »

xorfish wrote: post #34
TeMPOraL wrote: post #17

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Ethic shifts don't come out of the blue; they start as a growing sentiment within a population, which at some point (whether through growth or things being shaken up by e.g. war) reaches critical mass.

Clean in vitro meat might be the technology that ends factory farming. An interesting question is how future generations will look at us if they still eat clean meat.

Describing lab-created genetically-modified "Frankenmeat" as "clean" might be one of those things not looked on favorably in the future... Bill Joy is quite likely right that genetic engineering is probably the most dangerous technology ever created, and the one that almost certainly has the highest probability of killing us all.

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Post by pjc50 »

krageon wrote: post #38
ceautery wrote: post #12

> I wonder if any of our current practices will be viewed as barbaric. The US jailed 70,000 migrant children this year. I doubt history will smile on that.

The current world doesn't even smile on it

The current world is copying it. This decade will probably cross ten million people in non-justicial indefinite detention.

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Post by thomk »

wholepointofcc wrote: post #44
ceautery wrote: post #12

> I wonder if any of our current practices will be viewed as barbaric. The US jailed 70,000 migrant children this year. I doubt history will smile on that.

What responsibility is bore by the parents who willingly took them into a country where they know they would have a high likelihood of being mistreated?

Can you be sure their parents brought them over? Also, if they did, you can be sure their motivation wasn't to antagonize American citizens.

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Post by youdontknowtho »

gtufano wrote: post #25
lopmotr wrote: post #6

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We treat children like that. Largely for the economic value they can provide by making them spend most of their awake life at school. If school wasn't needed, it would look barbaric.

I'm always baffled by the way US (and on a lesser degree UK) people see schools. My (EU/Italian) point of view is that's something that could be improved (like anything) but not the evil I see through your words. There must be some significant difference in the school experience that I don't understand (for lack of knowledge, probably).

Conservatives here actually make things worse in public life as a policy decision...public schools are a perfect example...then run for election based on things being bad in public life.

Since public education became a thing for all the states, conservative Christians have been opposed to it. They will moderate their message depending on the audience, but when discussed among themselves they talk about abolishing it. The really ridiculous thing is how schools are funded. I won't go into it here, but it guarantees that poor people will have a bad education.

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Post by youdontknowtho »

Consultant32452 wrote: post #41
pjc50 wrote: post #32

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> Nearly 20% of high school graduates are illiterate That's America's choice to have a failing system, not a universal property of schooling.

A universal property of state run schooling is that schools are literal prisons for children and for many people is the only place they'll experience violence first hand. The finer details will vary by location.

I've been to multiple prisons for children to visit people, they aren't like schools. Also, many children are sent to adult prison and those aren't like school either.

Both public and private schools can be places where people experience violence, but many more people experience violence at home first.

Rein it in, minuteman.

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