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A Database of Fugitive Slave Ads Reveals Thousands of Untold Stories (2018)

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Re: A Database of Fugitive Slave Ads Reveals Thousands of Untold Stories (2018)

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Post by reportgunner »

Ma8ee wrote: post #5
praptak wrote: post #3

Makes one reflect on how much do we take for granted when it comes to ethics. I remember a (googleable) exchange of letters between the former owner and an ex-slave. The former was genuinely hurt by slave's betrayal and urged them to go back. There were people for whom owning other people was so normalized that they were actually angry at their former slaves. I wonder if any of our current practices will be viewed as…

I think the way we treat animals today will be viewed as very barbaric within a generation or two. We are everyday learning more about how much intelligence and consciousness something like cows posses.

> We are everyday learning more about how much intelligence and consciousness something like cows posses

How can I join this learning ?

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Post by keyP »

markdown wrote: post #20
Ma8ee wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the way we treat animals today will be viewed as very barbaric within a generation or two. We are everyday learning more about how much intelligence and consciousness something like cows posses.

Have you lived on a farm? Cows are the dumbest creatures, and they taste wonderful.

According to the paper cited in this article, they may not be as dumb as you think

https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/animal-emotions/2017...

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Post by moccachino »

reportgunner wrote: post #21
Ma8ee wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the way we treat animals today will be viewed as very barbaric within a generation or two. We are everyday learning more about how much intelligence and consciousness something like cows posses.

> We are everyday learning more about how much intelligence and consciousness something like cows posses How can I join this learning ?

Regarding crows, here is a start: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21769575

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Post by kingkawn »

markdown wrote: post #20
Ma8ee wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the way we treat animals today will be viewed as very barbaric within a generation or two. We are everyday learning more about how much intelligence and consciousness something like cows posses.

Have you lived on a farm? Cows are the dumbest creatures, and they taste wonderful.

We see what we are in the world around us

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Post by gtufano »

lopmotr wrote: post #6
praptak wrote: post #3

Makes one reflect on how much do we take for granted when it comes to ethics. I remember a (googleable) exchange of letters between the former owner and an ex-slave. The former was genuinely hurt by slave's betrayal and urged them to go back. There were people for whom owning other people was so normalized that they were actually angry at their former slaves. I wonder if any of our current practices will be viewed as…

We treat children like that. Largely for the economic value they can provide by making them spend most of their awake life at school. If school wasn't needed, it would look barbaric.

I'm always baffled by the way US (and on a lesser degree UK) people see schools. My (EU/Italian) point of view is that's something that could be improved (like anything) but not the evil I see through your words. There must be some significant difference in the school experience that I don't understand (for lack of knowledge, probably).

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Post by de_watcher »

HSO wrote: post #9
lopmotr wrote: post #6

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We treat children like that. Largely for the economic value they can provide by making them spend most of their awake life at school. If school wasn't needed, it would look barbaric.

One of the biggest lies I never believed is that school is for education. It is for many things but education (not indoctrination or brainwashing) is not one if them. Thankfully I realized this very early.

That are local US problems. Some 3rd world countries were sticking to the idea even while going through the periods of economic disaster.

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Post by humanrebar »

praptak wrote: post #3

Makes one reflect on how much do we take for granted when it comes to ethics. I remember a (googleable) exchange of letters between the former owner and an ex-slave. The former was genuinely hurt by slave's betrayal and urged them to go back. There were people for whom owning other people was so normalized that they were actually angry at their former slaves. I wonder if any of our current practices will be viewed as…

> I wonder if any of our current practices will be viewed as barbaric.

Contraceptive abortion, especially late term ones. Consider how unusual and horrifying the villain in Cell Block 99 is. Also consider the consider the cognitive dissonance between current abortion laws and the legal consequences for assault resulting in a failed pregnancy.

EDIT: "Contraceptive" is probably more precise than "prophylactic"

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Post by cbm-vic-20 »

kmm wrote: post #15
HSO wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the biggest lies I never believed is that school is for education. It is for many things but education (not indoctrination or brainwashing) is not one if them. Thankfully I realized this very early.

I always say it as something quite benign: a state-sponsored daycare. Where else would we put our kids if not for school?

The same place before widespread public schools: fields and factories.

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Post by thih9 »

praptak wrote: post #3

Makes one reflect on how much do we take for granted when it comes to ethics. I remember a (googleable) exchange of letters between the former owner and an ex-slave. The former was genuinely hurt by slave's betrayal and urged them to go back. There were people for whom owning other people was so normalized that they were actually angry at their former slaves. I wonder if any of our current practices will be viewed as…

> I remember a (googleable) exchange of letters between the former owner and an ex-slave. The former was genuinely hurt by slave's betrayal and urged them to go back.

Wikipedia link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Anderson#Letter

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