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India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by iamshs »

jsnider3 wrote: post #217

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True. Yesterday Indian PM issued these statement in an election rally:

"those creating violence can be identified by their clothes itself". It was a reference towards skull caps that Muslims wear usually, and protests first started inside two historically Muslim University campuses.

"... seeing the riots and torching happen, citizens of country are becoming even more resolute that with this law Modi (Indian PM) has saved India". - Terming protests as riots, and saying that Muslims create conditions for violence, and hence excluding them from getting citizenship was the right move.

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Post by crocal »

baud147258 wrote: post #205
vijaybritto wrote: post #159

This is a monstrous law. The first step is to make millions of people illegal. Next is to give all but Muslims citizenship. Muslims would be stripped off their right to vote. Even hitler would be inspired from such evil plans. (Also from the comments everyone can see how heartless people can be)

I don't think Hitler ever bothered by passing bills and announcing to the world what he was about to do.

Please. Hitler wrote a /book/ where he explained /everything/ in excruciating details. That is arguably the scariest part of Nazism. People /knew/ what they were signing for. Hitler /was/ legitimate.

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Post by yorwba »

iamshs wrote: post #225
owaislone wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every time there is a thread about the Indian government doing something questionable, there are people here ready to justify it and defend the government.

I called out these pro-government accounts pretty heavily in a thread sometime back and my comments got flagged on basis of not providing references and calling their comments as propaganda. How much of references can you provide when you know the person is just sending you on a wild goose chase. And the comments are propaganda, repeating governmental lies. One of the comment declared openly, "I am a Hindu, I am a Na…

HN doesn't prohibit people from being wrong or unquestioningly repeating government propaganda so long as they don't exclusively use HN for ideological battle and respect the other rules.

So if you want an Xist to get banned, you don't need to provide references that they support X, but that they do so in a way that is against the rules (such as exclusively posting about X). Also, you shouldn't do that in the comments but by emailing hn@ycombinator.com with the relevant facts, so that the mods can decide on the correct action to take without publicly putting anyone on the spot.

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Post by enugu »

vijaybritto wrote: post #165
quantummkv wrote: post #89

> For a government which has attained a historical majority for the second time, just imagine the impact they can have if they focussed this energy on improving economic and human-life indicators instead. The government in its election pitch made this one of the major points that they would execute if they came to power. So please don't be under the assumption that the people that voted don't want this to be implemen…

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Exactly, so it is a good thing that Hindus who have emigrated from an actual genocide(not a speculation) with scant notice in major media both in India and abroad, are finally getting a chance at citizenship

Given the opposition, the CAA law might be struck down. The absurdity of much of this thread is that measures which help active victims of genocide are being opposed.

The book Blood Telegram, by Gary Bass about a state department memo, documents one aspect of how this genocide was buried. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blood_Telegram:_Nixon,_Kis...

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Post by enugu »

xenocyon wrote: post #53

I grew up in India and cherish where I came from, but the recent hard lurches towards a fascist ethnostate - often with the enthusiastic support of India's majority (including my family members) - sadden me deeply and make me wonder what the future has in store.

India is far from being a fascist ethnostate, unless you have been reading media reports which are filled with false details and crucial ommisions. In fact, there are colonial laws which prevent Hindus from even running temples or schools without being taken over by the state. Also, they are routinely the targets of violence which dont come to prominence in western media reports.

One of the outcomes of this post is that the extreme bias in reporting in the media has reached HN. For any Hindus reading this, stop responding emotionally and instead try to document the various kinds of bias in media thoroughly. People like Vamsee Juluri have written about coverage of Hindu issues in prominent western media. Anand Ranganathan has logs of media bias on incidents of violence etc.

Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by iamshs »

yorwba wrote: post #233
iamshs wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I called out these pro-government accounts pretty heavily in a thread sometime back and my comments got flagged on basis of not providing references and calling their comments as propaganda. How much of references can you provide when you know the person is just sending you on a wild goose chase. And the comments are propaganda, repeating governmental lies. One of the comment declared openly, "I am a Hindu, I am a Na…

HN doesn't prohibit people from being wrong or unquestioningly repeating government propaganda so long as they don't exclusively use HN for ideological battle and respect the other rules. So if you want an Xist to get banned, you don't need to provide references that they support X, but that they do so in a way that is against the rules (such as exclusively posting about X). Also, you shouldn't do that in the comment…

I mailed dang and he didn't agree with me and I respect that, since I agree with his assertion that I was being aggressive which fueled ideological battle even more.

Some of the accounts that I called out are again in here repeating same governmental propaganda. Let's see if something can be done about them.

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Post by quantummkv »

iicc wrote: post #221
quantummkv wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> >Article 14 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights states that "Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution."

Yeah. They have the right to seek. And India has the right to reject.

> Get some humanity.

Oh I have humanity, you know. But my humanity gives first preference to my own country's citizens.

Unfortunately, India's resources are already strained by it's own large population. I cannot in good conscience let more people into the country when the already present citizens are grappling with strained natural resources.

Fortunately, many Muslim countries have the resources to take in the oppressed Muslims into their countries without issues. But for some reason they won't take them in. You should redirect your energies there.

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Post by viraptor »

reportgunner wrote: post #220
viraptor wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sometimes it's Muslims doing the massacring, sometimes it's Muslims being attacked by governments (Uyghur), by Buddhists (Burma), etc. It's almost as if religion is not really the issue, just a proxy for expressing other sentiments...

Honest question: What other sentiments are you hinting at ?

A few different ones including insecurity around national identity, needing someone to blame for things going wrong, generalising some extremist using religion as justification to the religion being extremist (you can use any one of them...), general xenophobia, ...

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Post by anovikov »

pjc50 wrote: post #179
anovikov wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> yes shooting on sight those trying to illegally cross is 100% OK I'm old enough to remember the Berlin Wall and its extension across Eastern Europe, where the willingness to murder civilians who tried to cross it was regarded as an indicator of how totalitarian Communism was.

Big difference. They shot those trying to leave, not enter.

And yes, it was of equally paramount importance for them as for the U.S. to control who can enter: this is how Communism works. If you let people leave, they vote Communism out of existence, with their feet.

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