The single most feature I hate about their products is their reliance on JVM, which makes them memory hungry and slow on older machines. :)
JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised
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Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised
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Given that Kotlin now also is first class development language for Android, I think Jetbrains gets plenty of revenue from Android
I don't think Jetbrains gets any money directly by the usage of Kotlin on Android, as Kotlin too is open source, and works very well in IntelliJ Community (also open-source). In fact, I don't think IntelliJ ultimate has any extra Kotlin features.
Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised
#343I'm a big fan of the way JetBrains sells their licenses. Like a lot of software companies nowadays, they only sell licenses on a subscription basis. But with a very customer-friendly clause of where if you pay for a subscription for 12 months you get a perpetual license for the latest version of the product when you initially subscribed. And then after paying for any particular version of a product for 12 months, you…
Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised
#344I agree with many of the other posters: JetBrains has succeeded because their products are generally awesome, and I am a happy personal subscriber. People should especially remember what the Java IDE landscape looked like when they first came out with IntelliJ: using IntelliJ after using NetBeans or Eclipse was like using Google for the first time after being familiar with AltaVista - it was just a night and day bett…
Their products are/were ambitious in an MVP environment.
Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised
#345I'm a big fan of the way JetBrains sells their licenses. Like a lot of software companies nowadays, they only sell licenses on a subscription basis. But with a very customer-friendly clause of where if you pay for a subscription for 12 months you get a perpetual license for the latest version of the product when you initially subscribed. And then after paying for any particular version of a product for 12 months, you…
True; that's the only subscription model I find acceptable for software that hardly changes in meaningful ways. For example, I refuse to upgrade Git Tower to version 3 as a protest against fournova's new licensing. Up to that point, I was a loyal customer and product advocate, basically buying every upgrade anyway, but by my own choice. Instead, I'll be on version 2 "forever", despite all its flaws. It was even worse…
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> a jetbrains ide can do are just much better than what my custom setup could do I get frustrated by people who insist on a complex vi/emacs setup for something Jetbrains IDEs do better out of the box. Or people who insist Sublime is good for editing their complex React project.
I mainly use vim and occasionally use Jetbrains. My setup in vim is super complex. I can tell you exactly how I feel about it: Vim is a better text editor than anything else. By far. Unfortunately, vim is terrible at basically everything else. The problem is, once you learn to use vim's text editing capabilities, then editing code using anything else feels like a pain. I'm not talking about variable lookups / etc. I'…
What if I told you I read way more code than I edit?
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#347Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you use their flagship offering, IntelliJ, it includes language support for Python, Javascript, and many other languages either directly or via a plugin that replaces most of the respective functionality of Webstorm, Pycharm and Rubymine. Just some niche features (like a C debugger only found in CLion) are unique to the other IDEs IIRC
I write F# and Scala (among other various languages). Unfortunately I have to own Rider and Intellij to do all of those things in the JetBrains ecosystem :\
Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised
#348JetBrains is completely awesome, in all ways. - The best IDEs by far. There is nothing remotely close. I have been a dedicated Emacs user for over 30 years. But there is so much Intellij does that just isn't available in Emacs, that I started moving more of my dev work to IDE, maybe 10 years ago. I still escape to Emacs sometimes (from the IDE), but if I'm coding in Java, Python, or sometimes C/C++, JetBrains tools a…
Just to add one to that list of awesomeness.
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I'm an outsider fan. I've attempted to use IntelliJ on multiple occasions, but it just can't really compete with Eclipse as far as my requirements are concerned. But the competition from and innovation in IntelliJ has no doubt made Eclipse better (and modern Eclipse is kind of awesome and just keeps getting better).
What is it about your requirements that means that IntelliJ can't compete with Eclipse?
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> No apologies, no compensation for building a commercial product on something I had spent a decent amount of time on. I think the important question here is did they do this in violation of the open source license you had adopted as at the time the alleged infraction took place?
Something can be legal and still be incredibly tasteless. If you keep lifting major open source tooling as the basis of your product without contributing, you're eventually going to exhaust the patience and free time of the people working on it. Think about it this way: When Linus started working on Linux and decided to release it under the GPL, was it because he wanted companies to use it as the basis of billion-dol…
If you want money then ask for it. Offer a product or service. There are dozens of licenses to choose from.