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JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Post by enitihas »

srcmap wrote: post #224
lol768 wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>But with a very customer-friendly clause of where if you pay for a subscription for 12 months you get a perpetual license for the latest version of the product when you initially subscribed. And then after paying for any particular version of a product for 12 months, you also get a perpetual license for that particular version and so on and so forth This came about due to a decent amount of consumer backlash, if I r…

Google must play InteliJ for the Android Studio License use, right? I wonder how big is that part of the revenue.

I think android studio uses the community (open source) version of IntelliJ Idea, so it should not be a big part of Jetbrains revenue.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Post by earenndil »

stevelosh wrote: post #257
wayneftw wrote: post #222

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> "move the cursor to a certain place and enter some text" In vscode, I'm usually already looking at the call site of a function I want to edit. So I move the cursor into the function call and hit F12 which takes me to the function definition to edit it. Once I'm done, I hit Alt+LEFT to navigate back to where I was to continue on... If I didn't start from a call site but I know the file I want to edit - I hit Ctrl+P,…

You're talking about how it's easy to move to a function or a file, and then you're "ready to edit", but edanm is talking about actually doing the editing . For example: say I jump to this function and want to fix a bug (the `search` should strip off the first two characters here, not just one). So I need to change `regex.search(s[1:], ...)` to `regex.search(s[2:], ...)`: def compile_hg_glob(line): pat = glob_to_re(l…

> In Vim I'd press `j` to get to the first entry, then `A,` to append the `,` after the first one, then `j.` to move down and repeat the action. I then press `j.` a bunch more times (which is really easy to do rapidly with your index and ring finger on Qwerty) and in 2 seconds I'm done. Vim's `.` to repeat the last action is really powerful and can save you a ton of time for small ad-hoc edit repetitions that don't warrant doing a full macro with `q`.

Eh. I'd probably do 'qqA,j0q', and then '8@q'.

That's also probably not the best example, since that's also trivial if you have an editor supporting multiple cursors.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Post by thawaway1837 »

wayneftw wrote: post #222
edanm wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mainly use vim and occasionally use Jetbrains. My setup in vim is super complex. I can tell you exactly how I feel about it: Vim is a better text editor than anything else. By far. Unfortunately, vim is terrible at basically everything else. The problem is, once you learn to use vim's text editing capabilities, then editing code using anything else feels like a pain. I'm not talking about variable lookups / etc. I'…

> "move the cursor to a certain place and enter some text" In vscode, I'm usually already looking at the call site of a function I want to edit. So I move the cursor into the function call and hit F12 which takes me to the function definition to edit it. Once I'm done, I hit Alt+LEFT to navigate back to where I was to continue on... If I didn't start from a call site but I know the file I want to edit - I hit Ctrl+P,…

Even something simple like reading code line by line (and of like me you like to move the cursor as you read the line), and your cursor reached the bottom of the screen, and you want reset the viewport where the line the cursor is on is at the middle of the viewport, is one keystroke ‘M’

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Post by matwood »

dangoor wrote: post #260
optimiz3 wrote: post #215

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Same here for Adobe Creative Suite; still on version 6 (perpetual license), which I run in a Virtual Machine due to support end-of-life.

FWIW, I think Adobe actually adds quite a bit to Creative Cloud every year, plus they offer fonts and connections with their mobile apps and such as part of the same price. Creative Cloud today is a very different beast from CS6. (obdisclaimer: I worked for Adobe several years ago, but have no current stake other than being on the CC photography plan)

And I think all the plans come with cloud storage which syncs across devices.

I fought the subscription plan for LR, but realized I usually updated yearly and had this complicated file management system for my photos. For $120/year I have the latest LR versions on all my devices and only have to worry about true backup.

I do keep an eye out for a LR replacement, but I haven't found anything that comes close to LRs file management.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Post by Waterluvian »

grogenaut wrote: post #81
Waterluvian wrote: post #8

I badly want to use intellij for Rust and other languages. But the issue I smash up against is that years of Vscode + my customizations has made using any other editor terribly clunky. I can spend hours customizing the controls and UI but I still feel like someone handed me the keys to some old car made in a country that doesn't exist anymore. This in part revealed to me the cost associated with all the editor custom…

are you really writing that much code where a 20% (actual, and I'm going to guess to you it's a 100% percieved) slow down is going to make you get fired? Or think of it another way, why are you only able to work in optimal environments, and is that the real benefit you provide? Are you going to get laid off if you aren't fully optimal? If you switched keyboard layouts would you lose this speed too? Can you afford to…

Apologies but I'm only reading the first sentence of your comment.

It's about how I enjoy coding. Its my job but I love it. It's fun. Part of what makes it so enjoyable is the ergonomics. Ask any craftsman about their tools.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Post by Waterluvian »

echelon wrote: post #110
Waterluvian wrote: post #8

I badly want to use intellij for Rust and other languages. But the issue I smash up against is that years of Vscode + my customizations has made using any other editor terribly clunky. I can spend hours customizing the controls and UI but I still feel like someone handed me the keys to some old car made in a country that doesn't exist anymore. This in part revealed to me the cost associated with all the editor custom…

> use intellij for Rust Use CLion instead of IntelliJ. It has much better debugging support. I've used both VSCode and CLion quite a bit for Rust, and I prefer CLion. It's got a much better understanding of the language.

Forgive me but aren't they just identical apps? I swear I thought they were all the same base program with a different set of plug-ins. And you could basically make any of them behave like any of them.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Post by owl57 »

peterangular wrote: post #40
croh wrote: post #19

I am a big fan of Intellij. But the single most feature I hate about their products is keyboard shortcuts. If they follow standard unix shortcuts along with standard browser shortcuts, it will be more productive.

I'm with you that the defaults aren't my favorite... but as a heavy Sublime user I was able to migrate the bindings over that made sense to me... Intellij products are insanely configurable. Also - I would either use their cloud sync and/or VCS to back-up your customizations. It sucks switching to a new computer and losing a day re-configuring your IDE back to baseline =|

Is it easy to use VCS for that? Last time I checked it wasn't [1]. In fact, that is maybe the main thing keeping me from learning IntelliJ tools more: I'm not comfortable with programs that I know I will want to customize but can't just git add the customizations to the dotfiles repo.

[1] https://stackoverflow.com/questions/37776684/which-intellij-...

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Post by wldlyinaccurate »

mmastrac wrote: post #269
fabiensanglard wrote: post #262

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What do you claim they copied? The GUI, the features?

Code from the open-source nprof project made up a good chunk of dotTrace (confirmed via decompilation at the time).

Which licence did you distribute the code with? Surely there's solid grounds for a legal case if the licence didn't permit commercial use?

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Post by extra_rice »

geophile wrote: post #243

JetBrains is completely awesome, in all ways. - The best IDEs by far. There is nothing remotely close. I have been a dedicated Emacs user for over 30 years. But there is so much Intellij does that just isn't available in Emacs, that I started moving more of my dev work to IDE, maybe 10 years ago. I still escape to Emacs sometimes (from the IDE), but if I'm coding in Java, Python, or sometimes C/C++, JetBrains tools a…

I can't consider myself to be an emacs superuser but I've built muscle memory around its key bindings so on JetBrains IDEs, I use my custom emacs based key maps. I used to be an Eclipse user many years ago, but when IntelliJ community came out, and it started supporting emacs key maps, I made the jump. I'm now using ultimate licensed by the shop I work at.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Post by stoicShell »

michaelfeathers wrote: post #266

The thing I love about JetBrains is their ethic. - Started by making refactoring plugins for IDEs. Became irritated by those IDEs. Wrote their own IDE. - Supported various programming languages. Became irritated by those languages. Made their own programming language.

Indeed! Love the spirit, work your way bottom-up as you encounter problems, remain practical yet keep that 10,000 ft view. All compounded by splendid execution, to the point that you are elevated 'upstream' so to speak by the master[1].

[1]: parent is talking about Kotlin: - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kotlin_(programming_language)

while I'm referring to Google supporting Kotlin on Android as a first-class ("native") language as of May 17, 2017:

- https://blog.jetbrains.com/kotlin/2017/05/kotlin-on-android-...

(There might also incentive for Google to move away from anything even remotely touched by Oracle; case in point being Java, despite the open sdk for that).

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