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Re: Having Kids

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> Can you elaborate? What exactly is wrong with parents talking to you about their kids? I'm not sure I can, but let me try. Some of my coworkers will chat to me for five minutes about watching that new Scorsese movie, and maybe make plans to hang out after work. Let's call this Group A. Some other ones will talk to me for twenty minutes about how their kids are really into Frozen 2, and how they dressed up as Elsa f…

Don't you feel pity for Group A? The most important thing in their lives is a movie and hanging out? They're just killing time. What's even the point?

Why would you make a throw away account just to repeatedly insult people for not having kids? That's extremely sad.

Re: Having Kids

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And everyone (especially parents) feels like they need an SUV, because everyone else has one, and they believe being in an SUV in a crash will make it more survivable (especially if the opposing vehicle is an SUV). It's a vehicular arms race, and everyone is defecting instead of cooperating.

Ah well, at least collision avoidance systems are getting quite good. Hopefully they improve more and become standard on all vehicles.

"quite good" there was a post here recently about how they fail the majority of the time and are totally useless at night.

Re: Having Kids

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What a load of shit and a miserable view to have. Having kids is the best thing I’ve ever done and the happiest I’ve ever been.

You're an ecological catastrophe though. We should be shaming people away from your choices not pushing people towards them.

The problem is consumption, not population.

Re: Having Kids

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Well, my ex-wife took up drugs and I became a single dad from the time my son was aged 2–after spending $80k I absolutely didn’t have on custody litigation. That’s in addition to a large six-figure mountain of back-tax debt and all the struggles of self-employment I’ve written about.

So, I suppose I can’t relate to PG’s essay. Of all the many possible eventualities I considered when having kids, this one didn’t enter into my imagination, and is not what I signed up for--especially in view of the foregoing hardships, even if they're ultimately self-imposed. Brilliant life choices and that.

Of course I love my son, and it's difficult to speak in terms of regret now that he's here. But I regret having him with someone a reasonable person (not me at the time) could have anticipated would not be a viable mother, and denying him (and myself) that. At the same time, it has inexorably altered my life and made it quite challenging.

To the extent the status quo is tenable at all, it relies on a large and expensive army of help and caregivers. Without them I don’t think I’d have a livelihood at all; we just don’t have 40 hour weeks in my industry that bend to a working single parent schedule, whether freelance or W-2. My son goes to daycare full-time but that doesn’t free up even remotely enough time and energy to sustain and grow my business, so a lot of other crutches are needed. Childcare is far and away my number one expense, greatly eclipsing housing. Even so, it’s all a struggle.

Re: Having Kids

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So my experience was the opposite. I came in expecting this great "chemical change" where suddenly the world revolved around my kids and their future. Well the latter part is true: my world now revolves around them and their futures. But chemical change? No. It's just the responsibility I have now. There's never a break. It's all-encompassing. I mean, it's survivable, I can deal with it, and I do the best I can, but,…

There was no chemical change for me either, but it's weird to think the world revolves around my child. It doesn't. As parents we have responsibilities, and we try to make sure our child lives a balanced and peaceful life, but I don't spend every minute of non-work time doing stuff for my kid. Neither am I unhappier that I have a child to take care of, nor am I enthralled about it. It's just a part of my life man.

Re: Having Kids

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You're an ecological catastrophe though. We should be shaming people away from your choices not pushing people towards them.

The problem is consumption, not population.

Population is a huge part of that equation and it's not talked about.

There are people going around shitting out kids left right and centre and I'm treated like the antichrist for wanting some bottled water.

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I try to avoid telling unsolicited stories about my kids, but what else am I supposed to answer when people ask about my weekend? It's not that I'm mistaken about how exciting my kids are, it's that other people are mistaken about how exciting (for them) my weekend could possibly be!

Ignore them. Nothing they have to share could possibly be as exciting as your family. They went somewhere, saw something, whatever. Maybe they have some vile tale of drunken stupidity to share from Saturday night. Gross. Everything they do, every weekend of their life, combined, pales in comparison to the life, love, and family you've created. Their immature adventures ought to register pity, if anything.

Give me a fucking break, this is so ridiculously sanctimonious.

Re: Having Kids

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Hey guys. Anyone else have the experience of having kids, getting a burst of energy, but of course all that energy goes directly back into the kids and house, and you have absolutely no life for 3-5 years or more? Because my kids are 2 and 4 and so far it's been 4 years of no life, no freelance clients, almost no learning/hobbies, just 35-40 hours a week of working as much as I can at the office and then everything i…

It depends. My experience is it gets "easier", but it doesn't get "better". Some parents really relate to their kids as they grow up, but it never happened for me. If you've ever seen the movie Rushmore, remember Bill Murray's character and kids? Just, no common interest and he's obviously defeated and burdened by them. That's about what it's like for some of us.

Yep. There’s a refusal to acknowledge this in polite company, as it definitely contravenes the party line. But I can intimately relate as a single parent conscripted into this role by an addict partner. My job hitherto was first and foremost and essentially "provider", and that's what I'm set up for.
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