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What Happens After Prisoners Learn to Code?

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Re: What Happens After Prisoners Learn to Code?

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> Trust has to be earned--even for non-felons Yet we hire kids straight out of college or a bootcamp and give them access to production data.

Straight out of college, not straight out of prison for being an accessory to somebody getting loaded with buckshot.

The article said it was birdshot, not buckshot. Still a crime but birdshot is far less lethal than buckshot.

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Since we're answering questions with questions... > Slack is within the top 10% of companies in the Bay Area by pretty much any metric you choose to rank companies by What are you basing that on? I'd say a bloated chat app in no way portrays elite. What has come out of Slack that screams elite? There's more to elite than just 'oh look it shiny'

Whatever dude, I'm not going to argue with you here. The beginning of this article starts out by explaining what a stand up is. It's not written for tech workers it's a general piece. And just working at any large technology company puts you in a very small fraction of the population and the truth is a lot of people vy for these positions. If you work at Slack coming out of undergraduate, you'll be a top 1% earner fo…

Ah no. It's an article about a software engineer in a software company which they call elite. It's shared on a site with tech people and commented on by tech people.

Elite has a meaning. It's not just a 'nice place to work'.

If you aren't able or willing to articulate your rebuttal to my comment then you shouldn't have hit reply on the original comment and then proceed to dodge/re-frame the world so you can be right.

> My original point still stands

No, it really doesn't, at all.

> Let me guess, you work at a company that's """elite"""?

No.

edit: also, could you please stop pulling made up stats out of your behind? " top 10% of companies in the Bay Area". "top 1% earner for your age bracket".

percentages & stats are real things - not flippant things which have no meaning.

Re: What Happens After Prisoners Learn to Code?

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What approach would you suggest? What I mean is that any attempt to change policy/society/laws/government innately involves deciding that something would be good for society as a whole and then attempting to get laws put in place that force it to happen. Therefore, your post doesn't seem to be actionable since it basically boils down to "don't do anything".

I rarely come across such a terse, yet clear, argument why socialism requires force. But it is a false dichotomy, to conclude that the alternative is not to do anything.

Like I said, what's your alternative?

Also I think maybe I didn't explain what I was trying to say clearly. My point is that all political positions, not just socialism, amount to trying to force the laws to reflect how you feel society should operate.

Re: What Happens After Prisoners Learn to Code?

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The issue that I see is that due to the electoral college and gerrymandering, it can be difficult to win even if you can convince moderates. The other issue is that many of the issues that progressives are concerned about (e.g. climate change, inequality, gun control) require action by society as a whole. Ideally we would negotiate and find policies that address the priorities of both progressives and conservatives.…

> The issue that I see is that due to the electoral college Please read the federalist papers.

Care to elaborate?

Re: What Happens After Prisoners Learn to Code?

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I spent 19 years of my life incarcerated. My life of crime started when my family moved to East Los Angeles and I decided to become a gang member at the age of 15. My last stint in prison was fourteen years straight; having been sentenced to 21 years but was granted parole on my first parole hearing. During my prison time, I enrolled in educational activities and got my GED, an Associate of Arts degree with honors, a…

Thanks for sharing your story. It really makes me angry to hear about the countless obstacles the formerly incarcerated face when it comes to reintegrating into society. As you put it, the debt to society has been paid. Someone who makes a mistake when they're young and stupid -- I know I made my share -- shouldn't be prevented from ever being able to have a good, normal life.

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The issue that I see is that due to the electoral college and gerrymandering, it can be difficult to win even if you can convince moderates. The other issue is that many of the issues that progressives are concerned about (e.g. climate change, inequality, gun control) require action by society as a whole. Ideally we would negotiate and find policies that address the priorities of both progressives and conservatives.…

Because of the electoral college, voices are not wiped out and discounted entirely in this country. I do not want the equivalent of a yellow vests movement happening here. Gerrymandering is a huge issue, and it makes it so that moderates don’t have to exist because of safe districts. The fundamental disagreement about priorities between the parties somehow turned into disagreement about facts in the past decade.

I don't think the electoral college is an effective way to give everyone a voice because it creates a situation where some votes count more than others and it allows a minority of the population to hold the country hostage.

I believe that something like proportionate representation is a better solution. It would still allow minority populations (e.g. rural areas) to band together and get representatives elected that reflect their priorities. However, since the system is no longer winner takes all it promotes finding solutions via negotiation.

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I'm not sure that a better solution is possible in America's current political climate. As I see it there are basically three approaches that a progressive could take in a policy debate: - Persuasion: I think that you are mistaken as to what is in your best interest, here's why my approach would benefit you more. - Negotiation: Here's how we can work together to find a solution that meets both of our interests. - Zer…

About that "promoting polarization", it takes two to polarize. You too have the option to cave. You are free to end the polarization at any moment. Demonizing the other size is impressively the other way. It's happening whenever you see people flinging words like racist, sexist, fascist, and nazi.

I'm not sure I think "just cave in" is a realistic solution to polarization. That doesn't actually solve anything it just creates more resentment.

In terms of demonization, I think its fair to use words like racist, sexist, and fascist when they are accurate descriptions. Before the Trump administration I was opposed to using those terms because I didn't feel that it was clear that they were accurate. However, I do think they are accurate now.

In my opinion, Nazi is only a reasonable term when the person is actually advocating for Nazism which, other than actual Neo-Nazis, is very rare. The only example I can think of where it might be valid was when Trump said that there were good people on both sides of a Neo-Nazi rally.

Re: What Happens After Prisoners Learn to Code?

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I'm all for the positivity but really?? > Access to an elite organization In what way is Slack elite? These writers need to tone done their hyperbole.

I tend to avoid valleythink, but Slack's brand value is definitely elite, it pays extremely well and is widely used, even if it is just a glorified Bay Area chat app.

Re: What Happens After Prisoners Learn to Code?

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I have been teaching a Python course at my local jail M-F for over a year now, and something we have struggled with is finding potential internships or general employment for our students when they are released. We typically recommend our students to enter the local community college system, but we also have some students that are utterly brilliant and could succeed without a formal education. Does anyone have any in…

> [...] how we should approach teaching in the setting where there is no internet access

Here is a link to a learning platform that is specially designed for the offline setting: https://learningequality.org/kolibri/ It can work both as a general purpose library (for self-directed learning) or as a LMS in a setting where there is someone who can "coach" the learners by monitoring their progress, organizing them into groups, and assigning specific lessons. In order for the content to work offline, it needs to be "packaged" as a Kolibri Channel (local copy of the content), then you can import it from a USB drive.

Another project in the localhost space is Kiwix-Serve: https://www.kiwix.org/en/downloads/kiwix-serve/ Kiwix content comes in .zim files (~= zip with html+assets in it). You can download lots of .zim files available here: https://wiki.kiwix.org/wiki/Content_in_all_languages In particular, the stackoverflow.com zim file (140GB) might be useful to have offline when learning to code.

Re: What Happens After Prisoners Learn to Code?

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The entire point of prison is to remove them from society. Why are we spending more resources on prisoners than people who've never commited a crime?

> The entire point of prison is to remove them from society. That is the immediate effect, for sure. But that isn't the issue. Unless someone is convicted for life without parole, or a death penalty, then they likely will be released into the general population at some point. Do you want them to have skills that might allow them to support themselves, or do you think a near term investment in education might be cheap…

But we're not even concerned with regular people having skills. Why are we concerned with convicts having skills? I don't understand your argument. Prison isn't a rehab center. It's a colony for removing people from society.
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