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New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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Right, convenient for some, and I empathize with that use case. But why must we all be subjected to Big Brother's unblinking, creepy-as-fuck stare? And why must all the data enabling the convenience be ripped away from my exclusive control and sent back to some centralized store?

Don't buy Alexa? I agree with you with regards to facial recognition, but expanding your views to optional smart home tech seems fairly vindictive.

Or have any friends that want to buy one. I have one friend who's pretty in to home automation. Fortunately he doesn't host get togethers very often, but I've seriously considered declining invitations before because I don't want to be in a house with all that crap in it.

Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

#352

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, convenient for some, and I empathize with that use case. But why must we all be subjected to Big Brother's unblinking, creepy-as-fuck stare? And why must all the data enabling the convenience be ripped away from my exclusive control and sent back to some centralized store?

Don't buy Alexa? I agree with you with regards to facial recognition, but expanding your views to optional smart home tech seems fairly vindictive.

Obviously I'll avoid purchasing optional "smart" devices that send my data everywhere, outside of my control. The problem is mass acceptance of ubiquitous surveillance, and those promoting and pushing it. I guess that means I will have to do my best to avoid visiting anyone who happens to have an Alexa (or whatever) hiding somewhere.

Even Google's devices chief, Rick Osterloh, says people using his product should warn guests that their conversations are being recorded. To his credit, he even does so(!):

https://www.komando.com/security-privacy/google-exec-warn-yo...

> “Does the owner of a home need to disclose to a guest? I would and do when someone enters into my home, and it’s probably something that the products themselves should try to indicate,” Osterloh said.

Osterloh hits on the truly insidious thing about about microphones -- they never indicate when they are listening and sending your data out of your control. (Camera LEDs also certainly cannot be trusted, but I digress).

To be clear, again, I have full empathy for anyone needing the conveniences this technology promises. I have zero empathy for the companies, "officials", and "authorities" who claim that they must exfiltrate my data so that it can be used for adding convenience, or security, or safety or whatever. It is unnecessary. Smart, creative engineers have proven they can do pretty amazing things with data processed locally, with no exfiltration required. Let them do their job, and let my personal data stay under my exclusive control.

I used to attribute this laziness to incompetence, but the advertising industry has proven over and over and over (decades!) that they are openly and unrepentantly hostile to users. They are malicious. I cannot and will never again trust them.

Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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To drop some personal anecdote.. By far the best sleep I've had on an aircraft was an Alitalia flight in the early 2000s, a 747 from Italy to Hong Kong, economy class. The upholstery was thin worn-down carpet, the seat felt like plywood with metal reinforcements in important places, hopes of in-flight entertainment were confined to headphones operated by a wheel-dial fixed the the seat, there was nothing as fancy as…

This reminds me of my favorite pet peeve with international flights. Even in economy you have more space for yourself and more storage space than on a domestic flight. However, they try to be nice and give you so much extra stuff like blankets, pillows, socks (!), sometimes even a little vanity kit with toothbrush and creams. Between that and all the brochures they cram into the little storage space that's available everything is crowded again. I wish we could at least get rid of the magazines and catalogs.

Maybe I just travel with too much stuff that I want easily available during a long flight...

Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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These better-seat design exercises have popped in the news for 20 years, at least. I'm not gonna hold my breath.

Exactly. Everyone's taking this article at face value, but it's an empty design exercise, not linked to any airline, with no cost constraints, that will never see the light of day.

Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

#355

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Most people already carry a Big Brother-esque device with a camera and microphone in their pockets everywhere they go.

You can completely disable Siri or whatever your device's equivalent is. The entire purpose of Alexa is to be listening all the time. They're not equivalent.

Can you prove that you've disabled it? That it's not listening all the time and logging interesting sounds?

I don't see a huge difference between a speaker that's designed to have an always-on mic listening for a code-word and we're just going to trust that it doesn't log anything unless it hears that codeword, and a phone that's designed to have the same, but has a software option to turn it off.

Either way, we're trusting that the device isn't abusing the fact that it has a mic.

Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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Idk what economy cabins these people are sitting in but those seats look at least business-sized to me. No US airline will be sticking something that big in economy. And facial-recog? Airlines are moving away from putting anything in the seat-backs at all and now you wanna put expensive camera tech in there?

The seats themselves look fine, but the amount of legroom that the model has is laughable. The only person I fly with who can cross her legs on an airplane like that is my 3 year old daughter.

Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

#357

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't buy Alexa? I agree with you with regards to facial recognition, but expanding your views to optional smart home tech seems fairly vindictive.

Or have any friends that want to buy one. I have one friend who's pretty in to home automation. Fortunately he doesn't host get togethers very often, but I've seriously considered declining invitations before because I don't want to be in a house with all that crap in it.

> I've seriously considered declining invitations before because I don't want to be in a house with all that crap in it.

Why did you end up not declining them after all? (if I understand your "considered" wording correctly)

Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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Either they hired a very petite woman for the photos are these seats are way wider than the current standard. But I do have a fun fact as to why airplane seats are too narrow.

When they first started standardizing the seat width, the measured individuals hips to determine the seat width. The idea was that: ass goes in seat. The problem was that our shoulders tend to be wider than our hips. By the time the issue was discovered it was too late to make the seats wider.

I have no valid reason for why seats are still getting more narrow other than the airlines are greedy bastards barley making a profit.

Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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post #295

Idk what economy cabins these people are sitting in but those seats look at least business-sized to me. No US airline will be sticking something that big in economy. And facial-recog? Airlines are moving away from putting anything in the seat-backs at all and now you wanna put expensive camera tech in there?

The seats are big but not that big. They pulled the ol' "everything looks bigger with a small woman for scale" trick. Look at the picture of the guy sitting in the seat facing away from the camera. It looks like he's leaning right in order to fit in the chair and they moved the camera to the ~4:00 position in order to make that not show. They might not be "true economy" small but these seats certainly aren't large.

They show them in a 2-2 configuration, though. No airline uses that configuration in economy unless it's a small regional jet.

Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or have any friends that want to buy one. I have one friend who's pretty in to home automation. Fortunately he doesn't host get togethers very often, but I've seriously considered declining invitations before because I don't want to be in a house with all that crap in it.

> I've seriously considered declining invitations before because I don't want to be in a house with all that crap in it. Why did you end up not declining them after all? (if I understand your "considered" wording correctly)

I'm not really sure how to answer that. I guess it amounts to peer pressure. If you're up against a group that has already decided that these kinds of devices aren't a problem, it's hard to articulate an argument against subjecting yourself to it that they find convincing.
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