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New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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Post by nickthemagicman »

air7 wrote: post #268
oceliker wrote: post #39

> The designers are considering adding facial recognition technology to the design. Um, what > In fitting with the trend towards more personalized, data-driven flying experiences, New Territory is keen to add facial recognition technology to the mix too. > The idea is that as the seat wing recognizes that you've fallen asleep, it'll automatically turn off the movie playing on your IFE. This could be the worst idea ev…

Why is it so hard to believe that that is the intended purpose? The feature is small yet a nice touch and I can't think of any sinister usage of adding this technology (I'm sure they have hidden cameras/microphones/facial recognition at the gate for security, anyway).

Are you serious? So now private entities have your facial information?

Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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Post by ghaff »

mattrp wrote: post #95
chx wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The bunk bed concept often surfaces but see https://travel.stackexchange.com/q/21713/4188

Yeah I know... I have impractical ideas about air travel. My other idea was to take the second level of a 747 and convert it to a gym. Instead of seats you’d have treadmills and at the far end would be showers. Anyone could “book” time in the gym for a fee. Imagine being able to go for a run on a 18 hour transpacific flight? Of course all this gets mooted by the starship... once we can get la to Singapore in 20 minut…

Well, originally, the upper deck of 747s was a lounge/bar. Which personally appeals to me a lot more than a gym does to be honest. :-)

Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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Post by bamboozled »

jacquesm wrote: post #215
bamboozled wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also a similar message in a Koutsuu but it was something about "Watching you face to see if you find the content engaging". I guess they think they can keep tailing the information to you until you can't seem to look away? Very creepy.

I would immediately switch to another cab.

Yeah, next time I’ll just hang My jacket over it.

Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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Post by jrockway »

ehnto wrote: post #139
synaesthesisx wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The other intended function is to measure & monetize viewer engagement and sentiment, so that IFE can offer personalized ads as an additional revenue stream for the airlines.

I was in a taxi in Japan with a TV screen in the headrests. It started with a message saying it uses facial recognition to tell if you are male or female, in order to provide you with the most relevant content, where the content was entirely advertising. Your future is now.

I saw an NHK video on YouTube that talks about vending machines with the same feature. It uses your face to determine your gender and age range, and then recommends a drink for you.

There must be some Japanese company that is pushing this technology hard.

Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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Post by coldpie »

0xcafecafe wrote: post #248
vincnetas wrote: post #172

I really liked seats arrangement in Helsinki public buses. Not sure how popular are they. But basic idea is that in a paired seat you have one seat shifted a bit to back. Because of that if there are two people sitting they don't rub their shoulders to one another and it feels much more spacious. Only picture that i could find : https://depressingfinland.tumblr.com/post/59672293951/234937...

Is the asocial behavior documented in the blog typical of Finland?

That's not asocial behavior, that's good public transit etiquette.

Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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Post by danbeaulieu »

xvector wrote: post #144
ddsea wrote: post #123

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Boring meetings have the same effect on me. The main challenge is, not to snore.

This is actually a serious problem to me. Regardless of how interesting I find them, meetings at work trigger something deep inside me that cause me to sleep. It’s like a biological switch has been flipped. Cavemen talking around a fire into the night, getting ready for the long rest for the day ahead... Sometimes I fall into a fugue in which I am semi-aware and a dream fills in part of the speech of meetings. I hear…

My 2 "weird" tricks for sleepy meetings:

1) Be engaged. Take notes, ask questions.

2) If #1 fails, see how long I can hold my breath in...

Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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Post by ghaff »

CaptainZapp wrote: post #162
quotemstr wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given the huge improvements in air travel safety over the past few decades, it probably makes sense to relax evacuation and seatbelt requirements a little bit in order to enable experimentation with bunks and other non-standard layouts.

I still think there's the issue with business - and first class travelers, which pay top $ to lie flat on long haul flights and are main revenue source of most airlines. Offering a cheap (or at least significantly cheaper) option to lie flat would eat into their own revenue.

Well, and once you have lie-flat seating, I'm not sure how different that is from regular business class. Sure you could still maybe squeeze a few more seats in and offer cheaper food/booze. But the difference in the cost to the airline is probably going to be pretty slim.

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Post by jrockway »

amelius wrote: post #179
culturestate wrote: post #147

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Using a call button, the flight attendant has to come over twice - once to find out what you want, and then again to bring you the thing you asked for. Any form of remote communication (video chat, text message, whatever) reduces that to a single interaction. Fewer trips down the aisle, less time spent leaning over other passengers, etc. If I were the PM on this project I probably would've used a standard menu of ser…

A button to get peanuts ...

Ordering food from your IFE is pretty common, at least in business class on the asian airlines. I think I've done it on CX and JL, at least.

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Post by bamboozled »

puranjay wrote: post #202
oceliker wrote: post #39

> The designers are considering adding facial recognition technology to the design. Um, what > In fitting with the trend towards more personalized, data-driven flying experiences, New Territory is keen to add facial recognition technology to the mix too. > The idea is that as the seat wing recognizes that you've fallen asleep, it'll automatically turn off the movie playing on your IFE. This could be the worst idea ev…

> This could be the worst idea ever. Have cameras pointed at every flyer for the duration of the flight, for the incredibly minor benefit of stopping your movie This seems to be uniform across all surveillance technology. The purported convenience is so laughably minor that it's almost a parody. Like Alexa - people are willing to have a Big Brother-esque speaker inside their homes for the convenience of playing some…

Don’t forget safety, were often told it’s to monitor bad guys or people breaking the law.

Australia is great at this, see the new “Phone use while driving cameras”, insane.

Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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Post by bitexploder »

ccamrobertson wrote: post #6

Those look like Premium Economy seats based on their generous width, not the crushing 17"-and-change width of typical Economy seats.

Seriously. Please no. I have extremely wide shoulders. I would literally not be able to sit in a seat like that without folding myself inward to an uncomfortable level.
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