Those seats with wings better be vinyl, otherwise there's going to be a lot of drool that's impossible to clean between flights.
New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy
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Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
Same. Almost 30 years ago, I took an overnight slowboat in Asia with my parents where each passenger had a thin mat (half-inch thick, 2' wide). People sat up, lay down to read or sleep. It was great. I've been on sleeper buses in China and triple-bunk sleeper trains in India and would vastly prefer those to the airline experience. Challenges with capsule-style beds could be accommodating families and handling meals?
Hard sleepers in China have everyone hanging out on the bottom bunk during the day, their are three levels of bunks, and the top bunk is not for the claustrophobic. Still a bit more comfortable than flying economy, and pretty cheap also (though they are disappearing as HSR trains replace them). I took an overnight ferry from Shanghai once to putuoshan (maybe in 2004?), I’m guessing it was similar to your experience 3…
Yeah, we took hard sleepers in China in the early 90s. Loved how chaotic it was. You have to be comfortable with strangers around though. I remember the sleepers in Thailand were really hot with fans everywhere, but had curtains at least - more like submarine bunks. Also have great memories of a 3 day ship from Shanghai to HK, just not the sleeping quarters. We would learn Mahjong from the elderly Chinese and play the 2-3 arcade games.
Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy
#73No way that is an economy cabin. And they chose a very petite model to sit in the chair. Economy is only going to become more miserable over time as people become taller and wider and airlines continue their war of attrition for low fares.
International long haul economy can be a bit roomier than domestic. Can see this workin really well for someone like Air New Zealand whose routes are almost all long hauls.
Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy
#74Looks like a fundamentally acceptable design change, which will probably be white-anted out of deployment on cost, or fashion grounds. I think seating in airlines demands regulation. I don't think we will see change here without it, because unlike Premium Economy and Business, where pricing differentiation justifies the spend (the increase in revenue outweighs the engineering costs significantly: Aircraft would be vi…
White-anted? Never heard this term before.
Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy
#75Any improvement to airline seats is welcome, but this won't address the biggest comfort issue for me which is the prolonged pressure on the posterior caused hours of sitting. I feel like airplane seats could benefit by using elements of office chair design.
If that's your main issue, you're very lucky... I wish I could worry about my posterior, but the constant pressure on the knees by the seat in front and the desperate search for a position where my legs will fit keep all my attention. Sleeping is a pipe dream, of course. When I see headlines like this I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Airlines need a seat pitch regulation. (and before anyone mentions that I could…
I've always found the knees hitting the seat thing an amazing variation of human anatomy. My wife is 6' tall with long legs and will have 3 or more inches to spare on leg room, while I know people shorter than 5'10" who constantly complain about their knees hitting the seat in front of them.
It does seem like truly exceptionally tall people would have a reasonable disability accommodation claim to be put in premium economy if they really can't fit their legs in.
Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy
#76Those look like Premium Economy seats based on their generous width, not the crushing 17"-and-change width of typical Economy seats.
they look more like old school first class seats. the problem with sleeping on a plane has to do with circulation -- it's actually hard on the heart to pump blood from your feet with you're motionless for hours at a time on a plane. If they really wanted to solve this, they'd do one of two things: 1) they would shift the time of departure from 6p - midnight to 3 am. They'd let everyone sleep in a special part of the…
The bunk bed concept often surfaces but see https://travel.stackexchange.com/q/21713/4188
Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy
#77> The designers are considering adding facial recognition technology to the design. Um, what > In fitting with the trend towards more personalized, data-driven flying experiences, New Territory is keen to add facial recognition technology to the mix too. > The idea is that as the seat wing recognizes that you've fallen asleep, it'll automatically turn off the movie playing on your IFE. This could be the worst idea ev…
I'm pretty sure many airlines already have cameras looking at your face. The last few international United Airlines flights I was on had IR LEDs just below the seat entertainment screen shining in my face the whole flight. I worked for an 3D camera company at the time and was pretty tuned in to IR (~850 nm) LED's dim red glow. There is no reason for them being there unless there are cameras looking at your face.
"As with many other airlines, some of our premium seats have in-flight entertainment systems that came with cameras installed by the manufacturer," a United Airlines spokesperson said. "None of these cameras were ever activated and we had no plans to use them in the future, however, we took the additional step to cover the cameras."
https://www.zdnet.com/article/united-airlines-covers-up-info...
Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
If that's your main issue, you're very lucky... I wish I could worry about my posterior, but the constant pressure on the knees by the seat in front and the desperate search for a position where my legs will fit keep all my attention. Sleeping is a pipe dream, of course. When I see headlines like this I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Airlines need a seat pitch regulation. (and before anyone mentions that I could…
How tall are you?
Anyone over 6' has this problem.
Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy
#79Those look like Premium Economy seats based on their generous width, not the crushing 17"-and-change width of typical Economy seats.
they look more like old school first class seats. the problem with sleeping on a plane has to do with circulation -- it's actually hard on the heart to pump blood from your feet with you're motionless for hours at a time on a plane. If they really wanted to solve this, they'd do one of two things: 1) they would shift the time of departure from 6p - midnight to 3 am. They'd let everyone sleep in a special part of the…
I’ve wanted the “sleeper” flights for a while! I’ll bet a sleeping pod takes up a lot more space though.
Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy
#80> The designers are considering adding facial recognition technology to the design. Um, what > In fitting with the trend towards more personalized, data-driven flying experiences, New Territory is keen to add facial recognition technology to the mix too. > The idea is that as the seat wing recognizes that you've fallen asleep, it'll automatically turn off the movie playing on your IFE. This could be the worst idea ev…
The camera will be used to automatically pause the ads when your eyes are closed.
Highly reminiscent of "Fifteen Million Merits" from Black Mirror.