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Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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Post by limomium » Tue, Dec 10, 2019, 1:04 PM UTC

smichel17 wrote: post #234

_23sd wrote: post #227

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Not sure what specifically you mean. Most smartphones today come with one of the assistants (Google, Siri, Alexa, or Bixby) turned on by default.

..which you can turn off or disable..

Can you?

No matter how many damn Google Assistant settings I disable in how many fractal menus, it STILL "helpfully" pops up if I say out loud "ok google"!

Like, "heyy I noticed you're trying to talk to me though I'm disabled, would you like to enable me?"

Stop spying on me you piece of malware.

Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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Post by chrisseaton » Tue, Dec 10, 2019, 1:09 PM UTC

bobthepanda wrote: post #38

ccamrobertson wrote: post #6

Those look like Premium Economy seats based on their generous width, not the crushing 17"-and-change width of typical Economy seats.

The rendering seems to be 2-2 seating, which is definitely more of a business class configuration.

2-3-2 in Economy seems to be a very common inter-continental configuration.

Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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Post by d33 » Tue, Dec 10, 2019, 1:13 PM UTC

fivre wrote: post #48

ObsoleteNerd wrote: post #22

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I’d love a capsule-hotel-style option. I don’t care how cramped it is. I feel like you could stack some bunks that take up the same cubic-space-per-seat as existing seats. I only need enough space to lie sideways with my phone in front of my face and a USB port and I’d travel a lot lot more. Context: Physically disabled and have issues sitting on chairs for longer than 1-2hrs before my legs are in excruciating pain,…

You could, and you'd likely create an evacuation pathway nightmare in the process.

Ignorant question, but: do we actually have at least one (preferably more) documented cases of where the evacuation happened and was successful?

Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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Post by bobbydroptables » Tue, Dec 10, 2019, 1:14 PM UTC

manigandham wrote: post #126

oceliker wrote: post #39

> The designers are considering adding facial recognition technology to the design. Um, what > In fitting with the trend towards more personalized, data-driven flying experiences, New Territory is keen to add facial recognition technology to the mix too. > The idea is that as the seat wing recognizes that you've fallen asleep, it'll automatically turn off the movie playing on your IFE. This could be the worst idea ev…

This isn't recognizing your specific face, it's about watching your general expressions. Many modern cars already have something like this to see if you're falling sleeping while behind the wheel and will start vibrating the seats and steering while sounding alarms to get you alert again. That being said, it's definitely over engineered compared to a "are you still active" button on the screen.

]This isn't recognizing your specific face,

Can you source this claim? Unless you are part of the engineering or monetization team of this project, I don't understand how you'd know this.

Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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Post by coldpie » Tue, Dec 10, 2019, 1:20 PM UTC

jacquesm wrote: post #214

jchw wrote: post #178

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I don’t suspect this is true, as VCs would quickly go bankrupt investing enormous amounts of money into such a startup

VC returns are not what you think they are. There is a lot of dumb money floating around and the long term returns of quite a few funds are much lower than what you might think. A couple of funds outperform the remainder quite handily which results in an average that looks acceptable but quite a few people lost a lot of $ on becoming an LP of a badly managed fund. That won't stop the fund managers from making out lik…

> There is a lot of dumb money floating around

I like to refer to funding and acquisitions in terms of Juiceros, equivalent to $120M. Instagram was purchased for about 8.3 Juiceros.

Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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Post by ghaff » Tue, Dec 10, 2019, 1:22 PM UTC

WalterBright wrote: post #177

AstralStorm wrote: post #165

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Many DECT phones have this functionality without being wired. Also there probably is a way to use SIP locally as an intercom between smartphones. Unlike an intercom they're portable. The main thing missing is voice or sound activated pick-up and hang-up, sometimes automatic loudspeaker mode.

I rejected wireless intercoms at the time because every wireless thing I bought had horrible sound quality, like the worst walkie-talkie. Even with simple analog electronics, wired had good sound quality. I did install some speaker wires, but the times when I wanted to play music in one room and hear it in another are just about never. Guess I'm just not finding any point to home automation. Even if I had installed a…

>I did install some speaker wires, but the times when I wanted to play music in one room and hear it in another are just about never.

I have speakers around my house, including on my deck, wired to a stereo receiver for music and I do use it. But Sonos didn't exist when I had the various renovations done when the wiring was added. If I were doing it today, I'd almost certainly just go with some sort of wireless system.

Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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Post by jacquesm » Tue, Dec 10, 2019, 1:22 PM UTC

coldpie wrote: post #265

jacquesm wrote: post #214

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VC returns are not what you think they are. There is a lot of dumb money floating around and the long term returns of quite a few funds are much lower than what you might think. A couple of funds outperform the remainder quite handily which results in an average that looks acceptable but quite a few people lost a lot of $ on becoming an LP of a badly managed fund. That won't stop the fund managers from making out lik…

> There is a lot of dumb money floating around I like to refer to funding and acquisitions in terms of Juiceros, equivalent to $120M. Instagram was purchased for about 8.3 Juiceros.

Hehe, that's funny. I may adopt that, but at the level that I'm investing I'll have to use uJuiceros or there will be way too many zeros.

Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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Post by air7 » Tue, Dec 10, 2019, 1:23 PM UTC

oceliker wrote: post #39

> The designers are considering adding facial recognition technology to the design. Um, what > In fitting with the trend towards more personalized, data-driven flying experiences, New Territory is keen to add facial recognition technology to the mix too. > The idea is that as the seat wing recognizes that you've fallen asleep, it'll automatically turn off the movie playing on your IFE. This could be the worst idea ev…

Why is it so hard to believe that that is the intended purpose? The feature is small yet a nice touch and I can't think of any sinister usage of adding this technology (I'm sure they have hidden cameras/microphones/facial recognition at the gate for security, anyway).

Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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Post by ghaff » Tue, Dec 10, 2019, 1:25 PM UTC

chrisseaton wrote: post #262

bobthepanda wrote: post #38

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The rendering seems to be 2-2 seating, which is definitely more of a business class configuration.

2-3-2 in Economy seems to be a very common inter-continental configuration.

Maybe in a premium economy configuration. It's definitely not common/standard in regular economy (or even an economy plus a couple extra inches of legroom) configuration.

Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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Post by bamboozled » Tue, Dec 10, 2019, 1:25 PM UTC

Aeolun wrote: post #221

bamboozled wrote: post #207

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I also a similar message in a Koutsuu but it was something about "Watching you face to see if you find the content engaging". I guess they think they can keep tailing the information to you until you can't seem to look away? Very creepy.

I haven’t seen it have any effect on what is playing. Maybe I should look more grumpy until it’s actually showing me interesting advertisments.

I didn’t expect for a minute it would actually work in real-time. Maybe they record the footage and have humans analyse it and try make more engaging commercials in the future?

It’s Japan and sadly it’s become incredibly outdated technologically. I’m not sure many people realise this. I was shocked at what I saw quite frankly.