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Re: The world needs more search engines

#81
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I'm more than happy with DuckDuckGo. I would love more specialized search engines. Back in the day I've used several search engines depending the task i needed to perform, from Altavista to Yahoo to Google.

This new search engine doesn't even function without javascript enabled, unlike DDG which works just fine.

Re: The world needs more search engines

#82
I looked into the Cliqz browser a few years a ago. Back then they claimed to be a privacy respecting alternative to Chrome. What I found back then is that they sent every keystroke I type in the URL bar to their own servers. They outright lied about that in their terms.

For me their mission is pretty clear: Google ate Burda's ad cookies and now they are trying to get their hands into the cookie jar again. Given that today we have widespread TLS adoption the war about the endpoint has begun. Cliqz, alias Burda Media, is just another combatant - the one who controls the browser controls the ads.

Previous thread with more info:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18626790

Re: The world needs more search engines

#83
post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We shall see. It has thus far been in Google's best financial interests to make nice in the European markets because of the size of the user base that they would leave on the table if they responded to EU pressure by shutting down services. I'm unsure if that continues to be true if the EU siphons money off of them to build a direct competitor.

The EU represents close to 50% of potential/projected revenue to Google in the next 10 years, is my guess. That's what I meant when I wrote "loads of leverage".

It's not that simple. In a scenario where google was shut out of the EU you'd have a lot of pissed off citizens, and google knows this.

Re: The world needs more search engines

#84

What would a different search engine do to differentiate it from Google? If the answer is privacy, that’s a niche already occupied by DDG. What other ways could a web search engine differentiate itself to be worth customers using more than one?

I used to work for a vertical search engine (comparison shopping). For the most part, no one in that space was able to build a brand, and they all depended on either paid or organic traffic from Google to stay open. As the company I was at and competitors started to merge and die, the largest, Nextag, went on a PR campaign to tell people Google's a Monopoly[1].

These vertical search engines, at at least in the comparison shopping space, were never that good to begin with. Shopping (and possibly travel) is just the easiest vertical to monetize. All the sites were spammy, pages were optimized for clickouts, and results were optimized for yield, not relevancy, because everything was an ad. There's a reason none of them were recognizable brands and they all depended on Google for traffic.

So yes, not just what niche is there, but how can you make it profitable--or even break-even. Would you donate $10 per year to a non-profit search engine?

[1]: https://techcrunch.com/2012/06/08/nextag-ceo-google-is-a-mon...

Re: The world needs more search engines

#85
This reminds me of an old quote by Wayne Gretzky.

“Skate to where the puck is going, not where it has been.”

Google will not be replaced by another search engine. It will be something else. Something we can’t imagine yet.

Re: The world needs more search engines

#86

It is impressive what they built. The results are quite good! The UI shows innovative elements like trackers used on the page. I see two problems with their approach: 1. The product is not built with the 'grandma test' mindset. More sliders and widgets is not what your grandma wants in a search engine. This is why building a search engine is hard. You have to guess with very little information what the user wants and…

>Google must not fall because it is a monopoly. If it was to fall it should be because someone built a better product.

One of the reasons for breaking up monopolies is that they make it harder for newcomers to build something better.

Re: The world needs more search engines

#87
post #71

It’s really sad to see the anti-success rhetoric. I was around during the “search wars”, and what’s usually forgotten is that well, they were by far the best behaved as a corporate entity. This “romantization” of this ideal state, devoid of historical context or acknowledgement of the world we live in is extremwly counter productive. Should google, Facebook, Amazon, Apple do better? Absofuckinglutely!!! Regulate them…

They are not a gov agency, i dont see the problem. To the victor goes the spoils. Are they doing something illegal?

What number of search engines is a good number, why? This line of thinking is subjective.

Re: The world needs more search engines

#88
post #71

It’s really sad to see the anti-success rhetoric. I was around during the “search wars”, and what’s usually forgotten is that well, they were by far the best behaved as a corporate entity. This “romantization” of this ideal state, devoid of historical context or acknowledgement of the world we live in is extremwly counter productive. Should google, Facebook, Amazon, Apple do better? Absofuckinglutely!!! Regulate them…

I was around too. The problem is you think the Google of 2000 is the Google of 2019.

It is not. Apparently some people are still fooled by the doodles and dinosaur jump game.

It’s easy to say MORE REGULATIONS... just as after any tragedy people claim “we just need one more law”! The truth is government has proven toothless in tax collection and regulation of these giants.

Re: The world needs more search engines

#89
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Does the Cliqz browser still disallow plugins, such as ad blockers? Hey, I work on Cliqz' adblocker (open-source here: https://github.com/cliqz-oss/adblocker ). Cliqz browser comes built-in with adblocking, anti-tracking, anti-phishing and private search built-in so that users are protected by default . You can also install another one if you prefer since all Firefox extension are also available from Cliqz! But the…

So how does cliqz makes money?

Hi, Marc here, I work at Cliqz. We (unfortunately) don’t (at least not a reasonable amount). We have an advertising model, but it does not rely on any personal data. We also always think (and tested) a paid product, which would be the purest and (In my view) best form. Experience unfortunately suggests, that only very few people would pay. But, I would be happy to be convinced otherwise. Going back to the article though: This is exactly why we believe there should be a lot of competition and a variety of different alternatives. And one or the other might figure out a new approach towards financing search.

Re: The world needs more search engines

#90
post #73

Google's dominance is almost entirely due to the fact that its by far the best at search. I use ddg, but I use google search via !g about 25-50% of the time after a failed attempts. And 9 times out of 10 Google gives me exactly what I'm looking for. For instance: "the actor that plays the news guy in spiderman" ddg: Tom Holland (side bar) Spider-Man Homecoming (imdb) Tom Holland (wiki) Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Ver…

It is really good when you search for vague terms, but it seems to come at the cost of ruining precision technical search.

Google also censors some results in controversial categories, where Bing/Yahoo return what I am looking for. I don't trust a search engine that censors entire categories of results.

I am not an adwords user but anecdotes in another HN thread seems to affirm that Google is due to be disrupted: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21667484

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