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Re: The world needs more search engines

#71
It’s really sad to see the anti-success rhetoric.

I was around during the “search wars”, and what’s usually forgotten is that well, they were by far the best behaved as a corporate entity.

This “romantization” of this ideal state, devoid of historical context or acknowledgement of the world we live in is extremwly counter productive.

Should google, Facebook, Amazon, Apple do better? Absofuckinglutely!!!

Regulate them, hold them to a higher standard!

But Will breaking them up do anything except destroy them and just empower the next competitor ( who will have to learn the same lessons?

Even worse, likely in a country that won’t match your same values of “freedom”

Are imbalances in power great? Nope

Are monopolies awesome? Most never

Are billionaires awesome? Nope

But this is the stage we are at due to an interconnect global economy. We built this.

Knee jerk solutions don’t and have never fixed anything

Re: The world needs more search engines

#73
Google's dominance is almost entirely due to the fact that its by far the best at search. I use ddg, but I use google search via !g about 25-50% of the time after a failed attempts. And 9 times out of 10 Google gives me exactly what I'm looking for.

For instance:

"the actor that plays the news guy in spiderman"

ddg:

Tom Holland (side bar)

Spider-Man Homecoming (imdb)

Tom Holland (wiki)

Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse (imdb)

google:

Jonathan Kimble Simmons (splash, link to wiki)

J. Jonah Jameson (wiki)

J. K. Simmons (wiki)

The google result is exactly what I want. And the results were made in incognito mode so Google wasn't able to cheat with privileged information about me as a user.

At the end of the day, most people care about the product. I'm only willing to sacrifice so much to satisfy the ideal that there should be less concentration. Make a better search engine but trying to pull at the heart-strings of users about how Google is an empire and too powerful just won't work and it undermines your product and mission.

Re: The world needs more search engines

#74

It is impressive what they built. The results are quite good! The UI shows innovative elements like trackers used on the page. I see two problems with their approach: 1. The product is not built with the 'grandma test' mindset. More sliders and widgets is not what your grandma wants in a search engine. This is why building a search engine is hard. You have to guess with very little information what the user wants and…

Direct link for the lazy: https://cliqz.com/en/

Re: The world needs more search engines

#76
Best of luck to these guys. Is there a way that Cliqz (or any other search engine) will manage to break through when even Bing is unable to get significant traction despite Microsoft throwing its weight and its default Edge installations behind it?

Hopefully there will be even more stringent antitrust enforcement to prevent Google from buying favorable search placement everywhere, but Google has such a big edge both in consumer awareness and people adapting their searches to Google that I'm not sure how it can be dethroned.

Re: The world needs more search engines

#77
post #62

>And empires must fall Why?

Generally speaking, empires are negative entities. The work because they took advantage of being first (or first to be successful) and used that advantage to absorb the wealth of those they conquer. While a lot of productive things can come out of such an environment, at its heart the empire is sustained by consumption. When there is less to conquer, there is less wealth available for the wealthy, but the desires of…

Wealth isn't some finite quantity that is merely taken or traded between a group of individuals. This is highly ignorant of economics and is a worldview that sadly what drives a lot of hysteria around wealth inequality (that when one person has more wealth it means they deprived it from another person who would have had it otherwise, combined with the idea it just sits there in a bank account not being used or it's all being spent like a consumer).

Re: The world needs more search engines

#78
Wow. You can't even do a search without enabling javascript. Surely no tracking implications there.

Yeah, I'm going to stick with DDG. Questionable ownership aside they at least have a functional website without running javascript.

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