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Re: Job loss predictions over rising minimum wages haven't come true

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Selecting correct presentation methods should be up to the platform, not the users.

the user chose the wrong blocks. There's no way for the platform to know

What does the platform do when user correctly quotes a code block? It would still be broken on mobile, would it not?

Re: Job loss predictions over rising minimum wages haven't come true

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I did as well (in massachusetts in 2016)

With all respect to your experience, comparing a college roommate situation to a FTE earning minimum wage is a bit apples to oranges IMO. Students are eligible for many benefits including health care, and have a finite period of time (typically in their youth) until graduation. Whereas a minimum wage worker may be living on this amount with marginal raises for their whole life. Think about having a marriage and kids…

I rented a house, and didn't have roommates? I mean, it was in the shithole that is worcester, but its not impossible.

Re: Job loss predictions over rising minimum wages haven't come true

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The more logical claim reads more like "employers will logically try not to employ unprofitable labor", meaning that the wage paid to a worker will generally be no higher than the variable profit enabled by that worker.

Certainly, but that's nothing more than a truism.

Yet proponents of raising the minimum wage seem to disregard this truism when it comes to the case of workers who for whatever reason can only create variable profit at a rate between the old and new minimum wage.

These workers can easily be moved from “profitable to employ” to “unprofitable to employ” by the increase in minimum wage, either entirely or by cutting those hours which would become unprofitable.

Re: Job loss predictions over rising minimum wages haven't come true

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There's a long-standing folk wisdom that the rich pay less for things than the poor. How well that stands up to scrutiny I don't know, though I encountered it recently on an old (probably 1960s / early 1970s) Studs Terkel interview, as a guest comment. (Guests were Willard Moss, pioneer amateur filmmaker, & John Dubay.)

The link that I posted was based on a fine grained analysis of actual spend by actual households. It found that, indeed, the rich pay less for the same good than the poor. And that the gap is increasing over time.

Understood.

I am agreeing with you.

Re: Job loss predictions over rising minimum wages haven't come true

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> HN doesn't support proper quoting, which is why people do these hacks. Yeah, but there's better hacks at least.

Email-style quoting doesn't work that well for a paragraph exceeding one line, and even worse for multiple paragraphs. Obvious answer is just not to quote that much, but sometimes it's desirable to, especially as in the case above, where a block of external text is being quoted (as opposed to just quoting the particular part of another comment that you're addressing your reply to).

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Seems to look good to me.

Re: Job loss predictions over rising minimum wages haven't come true

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In the US, for instance, you have a massive (and very deliberately created) population of illegal aliens who can’t legally work anyway, so are unaffected by minimum wage laws. Raising minimum wage has the effect of making legal employees even less competitive with illegal ones, and since the authorities have no interest in enforcing their own laws, legal employment at the unskilled end is a sucker’s game. This, I sus…

I think you'll find those who support minimum wage laws also support the enforcement of those laws. I'm not sure if you're advocating for deportation, restrictions on immigrant labor, or something else entirely, but given that you're using terms like "illegal aliens," I'm going to assume you're not a fan. We've already got mechanisms to crack down on black-market labor. Tax-dodging, not paying workers minimum wage, a…

I'm not the parent, but as a second-generation immigrant, I broadly agree with all of this. I'm fine with whatever laws we all decide, and I think they should then be vigorously enforced.

Our current wink-wink scheme, supported by both major parties, is bad for a lot of people, and in many way most harmful to illegal aliens (who are abused and/or are virtually enslaved).

Re: Job loss predictions over rising minimum wages haven't come true

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I think you'll find those who support minimum wage laws also support the enforcement of those laws. I'm not sure if you're advocating for deportation, restrictions on immigrant labor, or something else entirely, but given that you're using terms like "illegal aliens," I'm going to assume you're not a fan. We've already got mechanisms to crack down on black-market labor. Tax-dodging, not paying workers minimum wage, a…

I'm not the parent, but as a second-generation immigrant, I broadly agree with all of this. I'm fine with whatever laws we all decide, and I think they should then be vigorously enforced. Our current wink-wink scheme, supported by both major parties, is bad for a lot of people, and in many way most harmful to illegal aliens (who are abused and/or are virtually enslaved).

You think literally millions of people are sneaking across the southwest desert and risking having their children seized and put in cages[1] to be "abused and/or virtually enslaved"?. No, that's not how it works. Immigrant jobs tend to be poorly regulated (no taxes witheld, benefits delivered nor social services funded, etc...). But they're jobs and they pay what jobs pay, generally around minimum wage, because that's where the market chases.

I'll leave the both-sides-do-it argument. It's wrong, but there's no way to argue that on this site without getting myself banned.

[1] A policy very much not "supported by both major parties"...

Re: Job loss predictions over rising minimum wages haven't come true

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> Who is to say what is the best wage? Should the government decide what people's wages should be? I don't think the government should dictate exactly what a person's wage should be but setting a minimum makes perfect sense because otherwise businesses pay slave wages and use taxpayer money to subsidize their labor expenses. As a taxpayer I don't want to my taxes spent on food stamps for employees working 40 hours a…

> minimum makes perfect sense because otherwise businesses pay slave wages Why is being unemplyed at 30U$S better than employed at 3U$D? It is clear that there are non-salary benefits to work that arent covered in MW. Thats why internships exist. Places that serve housing or food, like colleges, shelters, kitchens etc could afford to hire more people. > As a taxpayer I don't want to my taxes spent on food stamps for…

> That is a complaint to the government. A private business has no control over subsidy policy. When you say you dont want to pay for those subsidies

I do want to pay for them though. I just want them to go to people who aren't working. People temporarily between jobs, people physically unable to work, etc. If someone is working they should be making enough to provide for themselves, anything less is a slave wage.

I do agree that people who are poor should be paying very little in taxes. However, most of the income taxes people making MW pay now are returned to them at the end of the year.

Re: Job loss predictions over rising minimum wages haven't come true

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It is worth noting that the rise of wealth in our society means that "decent living" by the standards of the 1930s means "extreme poverty" by today's standards. More precisely the real value of median income tripled from the 1930s to the 1980s. Lower income brackets did likewise. So it is historically incorrect to hear FDR say "decent living" and map it onto current notions of a decent living. Separately, we have man…

If you measure it in calories or other form of nutrition, did it triple? If you define poverty not by an absolute standard of living but the poverty trap (the range where the rest of society trivially exploits you, intentionally or not, and you cannot advance as they do), does it triple?

As measured in calories it did not triple. But malnutrition went down a lot. And reduced malnutrition was one of the causes of rising IQ and physical stature over that time period.

The actual progress in standards of living in the USA from 1930 to 1980 is hard to overstate.

Re: Job loss predictions over rising minimum wages haven't come true

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None of that is illegal. You can ask, but you can't discriminate.

https://ocs.yale.edu/get-prepared/illegal-interview-question...

The page is wrong. Those are not illegal questions.
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