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Re: Save .org

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Post by int_19h »

School-Cotton wrote: post #111
behringer wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just wait until you see what they have planned for the airwaves next!

TBH I’d be happy for the (AM/FM radio) airwaves to be privatized if it meant getting rid of the absurd, antiquated rules about not being able to say certain words in song lyrics.

It doesn't actually mean that. Look at censorship that Facebook implements for an example of what you can expect. Sure, there might be some obscure stations that wouldn't have such rules... and nobody would know about them.

Re: Save .org

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Post by throw0101a »

hultner wrote: post #218
byuu wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The process of mapping name=IP is not remotely technically difficult, and I'd dare say most people reading this message could implement the backend to such a system in a few days. Setting up the peering replication and nameservers around the world is considerably harder, but it's definitely not a $10 billion+ problem (the current value of registrars and certificate authorities.) A startup funded by YC could handle th…

Browsers shouldn't be the entity deciding on address resolution, a domain system bound only to the web/httpx would be a huge leap backwards. This should be up to the os and whatever names resolution the os provides should be happily accepted by any network program, be it a browser, email client, ssh, irc or something completely different.

> Browsers shouldn't be the entity deciding on address resolution ...

See DNS Wars, Episode 6: "Resolverless DNS":

* https://blog.apnic.net/2019/11/04/dns-wars/

* https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/Resolverless-dns

('Amusingly' I cannot view the mailman page because Cloudflare DDoS protection is blocking me. The same CF that is doing DoH for Mozilla.)

Re: Save .org

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Post by teddyh »

fauigerzigerk wrote: post #253
teddyh wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Many internet services are not country specific The companies and/or owners of those services do operate under a certain legal aegis, though. It’s not like they are stateless. I just happened to read the text on a food product; it had text in three languages, and the www.* domains listed in the three texts were in the ccTLD for each country. No .com was mentioned anywhere.

Domain names should never change and be easy to remember whereas legal ties to countries are often complex (i.e not 1 to 1) and subject to change. Should I really have to remember going to apple.ie because that's where the Apple shop happens to be legally based at the moment? Or should it be apple.eu because consumer protection is an EU matter? Or apple.us because that's where Apple's headquarter is located? And when…

Multinational companies should be the exception, not the rule. “Designed by Apple in California”; will Apple ever stop being a U.S. company? Why would “apple.us” not be appropriate?

A company is an entirely legal construction, and, as such, is entirely bound to the laws of a certain country.

Re: Save .org

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Post by justinclift »

mygo wrote: post #320
justinclift wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wonder if this means Cloudflare - and/or the other termination points for DNS-over-HTTPS - could be an interesting place to start adding an alternative DNS resolution system? Then it wouldn't need to be done by any browsers... if the DNS-over-HTTPS end point provider does the additional name resolution, it should "just work".

We’re here because a private company has taken over .ORG I see what you’re saying in theory, but it can’t be cloudflare or a private company or else it’s more of the same.

If it's done as a coalition of the places which provide DNS-over-HTTPS, it might work. :)

Re: Save .org

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Post by okashi_o »

mikedilger wrote: post #285

Existing .org domains they can't move without overwhelming disruption, so most will just pay whatever it costs. But for the future, we need to move the Internet towards having peering relationships with TLDs such as OpenNIC.net. Motivations: * This issue of .org being sold for profit * The fact that OpenNIC had to rename their TLD domains (e.g. .free to .libre) when ICANN created a colliding .free domain, demonstrati…

Full disclosure here, I am the host of the ".epic" TLD on OpenNIC.

Knowing the maintainers of the project and the community at large, I doubt they'd take kindly to opening up the project to Mozilla's support/control. They've ran a tight game, relying on their own money and individual donations. Opening it up to Mozilla's big money would bring the democracy aspect of the project into compromise.

Personally, I'd find it interesting to see where OpenNIC would go with that kind of investment, though. I've poured plenty of my time and money into the project, and would like to see it grow. Perhaps not at the expense of the projects principles, though.

Re: Save .org

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Post by jacob-malthouse »

ISOC CEO does not consider the public reaction or petition significant. He stated that a mere 10,000 signatures when there are millions of .orgs indicates lack of public concern or any serious opposition to the deal.

Ethos Capital paid $1.135 billion for total, unconditional, purchase of the PIR from ISOC.

ISOC just "grabbed the opportunity when Ethos presented it,"

ISOC have reviewed Ethos’s governance plans and approved them, but will have no means to enforce compliance with those plans.

The deal must be approved by the end of the 1st Quarter 2021 or it fails. The exact date is still confidential.

It must be approved by two bodies – ICANN and the Pennsylvania Orphans Court, which is a specialist court for estates and trusts.

The PIR is incorporated in Pennsylvania and this court must approve changes in the PIR charter in order for Ethos Capital to take ownership.

This is because “the Orphans’ Court judge is the ultimate defender and protector of the fund in question, and the Orphans’ Court will protect that fund and ensure that the fund is distributed to the correct beneficiary”

There is a good introduction to this court at https://www.skhlaw.com/pennsylvania-orphans-court-101-all-th...

This means that if the Pennsylvania Orphans Court has not reached a determination by 1st April next year, or if that decision is being challenged in a manner which delays implementation, the deal fails.

Re: Save .org

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Post by commandersaki »

tldmanagement wrote: post #136
walrus01 wrote: post #26

Some further background on what happened. I don't see how this can be interpreted as anything other than corruption, plain and simple. https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/11/20/org_registry_sale_s... "Former ICANN CEO Fadi Chehade personally registered the domain name currently used by Ethos Capital in May and it was registered as a limited company in the US state of Delaware on May 14. That date is significant becaus…

Posting from a throwaway account. I worked at one of the main TLDs for years and was on one of the ICANN boards and got to know the industry well. It is well know amongst the domain name community that ICANN is a poorly run organization, whose directors have in recent years have used their position of leadership to lead decisions from which they are afterwards benefiting themselves economically, in many cases by rush…

It's funny because every defence I've heard about ICANN is "why did you not participate in the governance meetings?".

Re: Save .org

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Post by dang »

jacob-malthouse wrote: post #347

ISOC CEO does not consider the public reaction or petition significant. He stated that a mere 10,000 signatures when there are millions of .orgs indicates lack of public concern or any serious opposition to the deal. Ethos Capital paid $1.135 billion for total, unconditional, purchase of the PIR from ISOC. ISOC just "grabbed the opportunity when Ethos presented it," ISOC have reviewed Ethos’s governance plans and app…

You've created multiple accounts just to post on this issue. Single-purpose accounts aren't allowed on HN, and neither is using the site for political battle, even on an issue where the community is largely in agreement. Could you please take a look at this reply I posted to your other account? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21660175

You're certainly welcome to participate as a community member, which means following the guidelines at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and using the site as intended, for intellectual curiosity. But it's not ok to use it as a platform for a cause, no matter how good a cause it may be.

Also, please don't copy/paste comments here. That lowers signal/noise ratio and breaks the site guidelines, which call for curious conversation.

Re: Save .org

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Post by jacob-malthouse »

dang wrote: post #349
jacob-malthouse wrote: post #347

ISOC CEO does not consider the public reaction or petition significant. He stated that a mere 10,000 signatures when there are millions of .orgs indicates lack of public concern or any serious opposition to the deal. Ethos Capital paid $1.135 billion for total, unconditional, purchase of the PIR from ISOC. ISOC just "grabbed the opportunity when Ethos presented it," ISOC have reviewed Ethos’s governance plans and app…

You've created multiple accounts just to post on this issue. Single-purpose accounts aren't allowed on HN, and neither is using the site for political battle, even on an issue where the community is largely in agreement. Could you please take a look at this reply I posted to your other account? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21660175 You're certainly welcome to participate as a community member, which means fol…

Hey! Sorry about that. I was trying to learn how to use the platform on my phone. :) Do you want me to delete the comments? Or can you delete them?
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