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post #9

This feels unreal! How is this even happening? Domains are more like the airwaves than a commercial product. How can they do this??

Just wait until you see what they have planned for the airwaves next!

TBH I’d be happy for the (AM/FM radio) airwaves to be privatized if it meant getting rid of the absurd, antiquated rules about not being able to say certain words in song lyrics.

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#112
post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The internet was and remains the most democratic knowledge dissemination engine in several thousand years of recorded history. It is substantially more democratic than it was in the 90s and 2000s because there are more people accessing it now. It isn't shifting towards an oligopoly unless you count things like Wikipedia as a monopoly. Which it isn't, Wikipedia is probably about as close to an ideal democracy as any h…

Wikipedia is a great example of a web site that has resisted the trend! It is a pretty ideal democracy for those of us whose ISP or nation-state[0] doesn't prohibit us from viewing it. There was a project similar to Wikipedia, but for semantic data. It lasted for a little while before being swallowed up by Google and shut down[1]. Granted there are some alternatives, but after investing some time working with freebas…

And Wikipedia is hosted on... a .org. Great!

Why not shake them down for those sweet donations?

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#114
It's amazing that .org avoided some powerful group injecting themselves as rent seekers even this long. It's a pity we've decided to run society this way generally.

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#115

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Islands already exist, with national firewalls, corporate networks, dark nets, etc. Decentralization of DNS would just take middlemen out of the picture. A dominant decentralized system would probably handle most requests if one were to ever get off the ground, making it equivalent to what we have now.

Why? DNS worked just fine with nonprofits and government entities who weren’t leeches.

But it no longer works fine. If there is money or power in something, it will inevitably get corrupted if it can be centralized or captured.

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#116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just wait until you see what they have planned for the airwaves next!

TBH I’d be happy for the (AM/FM radio) airwaves to be privatized if it meant getting rid of the absurd, antiquated rules about not being able to say certain words in song lyrics.

That shouldn’t be necessary though, better regulation of a limited resource is preferable to no regulation.

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#117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Islands already exist, with national firewalls, corporate networks, dark nets, etc. Decentralization of DNS would just take middlemen out of the picture. A dominant decentralized system would probably handle most requests if one were to ever get off the ground, making it equivalent to what we have now.

Why? DNS worked just fine with nonprofits and government entities who weren’t leeches.

Why? Because even you are using the past tense. The genie is out of the bottle.

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#118

A couple additional things: EFF blog post on the topic: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2019/11/nonprofit-community-st... Here's the initial letter being sent from EFF & others to ICANN and the Internet Society: https://www.eff.org/document/coalition-letter-sale-public-in... (Disclaimer: I work for the Internet Archive, and we are one of the initial signatories to this letter.)

Has the broader group thought about just buying their own tld?

With a better governance model.

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#119
post #51

I think I give up on the Internet that we know today. I'm too tired to fight anymore. Monopoly ISPs with data caps, DNS rent seeking, the walled gardens, the internet of shit where I cannot walk down my street without getting recorded by every house with a "ring". I'm done with it. I don't want to partake anymore, I don't want to fight it anymore, I don't want to care anymore. Let the Google's and Facebook's have the…

> Monopoly ISPs with data caps The fact that data caps ever gained traction doesn't reflect well on the old timers ability to explain and protect the true value of their creations for the wider public. Which is weird because they were obviously able to do that with cryptographic algorithms which are way more esoteric. It's like teaching a generation of craftspeople to build all the intricate parts of a piano but neve…

What? Data caps had a very good reason to exist. Back in the 3G days if everybody would be online all the time the whole machine would just grind to halt. Nowadays the data caps are (in Europe at least) only a formality.

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#120
post #51

I think I give up on the Internet that we know today. I'm too tired to fight anymore. Monopoly ISPs with data caps, DNS rent seeking, the walled gardens, the internet of shit where I cannot walk down my street without getting recorded by every house with a "ring". I'm done with it. I don't want to partake anymore, I don't want to fight it anymore, I don't want to care anymore. Let the Google's and Facebook's have the…

You mean the death of the nerds-only Internet (a different kind of walled garden). There is so much creativity shared via the Internet by non-tech-savvy people that just wouldn't have been possible via the "old Internet". There's certainly many problems with something this gargantuan, but I get very skeptical when people nostalgize and eulogize "the good old days" of anything. I'll add, I say this with empathy to you…

Is what they are sharing worth anything or is it just crap?
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