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RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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US have already pressured Swiss to remove bank secrecy, which is kinda a big deal.

You mean they have pressured the Swiss to stop laundering and storing drug and Nazi money, which is totally a big deal.

People might be less upset if US banks weren’t doing it on a large scale.

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The fact that Tom Cotton knows about RISC-V blows my mind. What doesn’t shock me though is his complete misunderstanding of how open standards work.

I’m sure the reporters called his office and spoke with an aid and received a generic and knee-jerk response based on what the reporter said. I don’t think he knows nor cares about risc-v nor the topic.

Assuming what I wrote above is how it happened (95% likely) it should not reflect poorly on him. I have a low opinion of the man but I doubt this quote reflects anything on how he might vote if some related issue comes to the senate floor.

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The United States invaded Iraq and killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis on a thin pretext. It toppled the government of Libya, leading to years of turmoil and the return of literal slavery. It supported Sunni extremists in Syria that helped tear that country apart. It ran a global kidnapping and torture operation for years. It conducts drone assassinations around the world. When I hear Americans talking about the U…

The intervention in Libya was due to a security council resolution proposed by the UK and France. It was run as a joint NATO effort.

> It was run as a joint NATO effort.

All that says is that other “democratic” “human rights advocating” countries are also to blame.

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In this case Switzerland seems to be a pretty good choice: compulsory military service, difficult terrain, nuclear power plants (and with them the infrastructure to build the bomb)

Yeah, that's what we LIKE the others to think. Realistically, our armed forces are at a strength of about 140K soldiers right now (pretty sure that's not a state secret). The parts of the terrain that are actually inhabited are not particularly forbidding (let them build their RISC processors in a hut nestled beside an 8500ft mountain pass. Don't forget to bring popcorn as you watch them). And nuclear power plants ma…

Pretty sure you'd need at least MOAB to damage a nuclear unit so that it'd become a level 6+ accident. These things are designed to withstand a jet crash.

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I was a minor foot soldier in the export control wars of the 1990s (via Switzerland too, as it happened). These rules were stupid then and are terrible now.

Americans would be less safe had foreign contributions to cryptography been kept out. In addition these export rules act as price subsidies for foreign companies (much as the recent agricultural tariffs have helped Brazilian farmers).

If you consider it a national security issue, just note that 1940s Germans had to develop everything themselves while the allies developed and swapped around technology with trans-national teams.

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post #214

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Yeah, that's what we LIKE the others to think. Realistically, our armed forces are at a strength of about 140K soldiers right now (pretty sure that's not a state secret). The parts of the terrain that are actually inhabited are not particularly forbidding (let them build their RISC processors in a hut nestled beside an 8500ft mountain pass. Don't forget to bring popcorn as you watch them). And nuclear power plants ma…

Pretty sure you'd need at least MOAB to damage a nuclear unit so that it'd become a level 6+ accident. These things are designed to withstand a jet crash.

Several of them are nearly 50 years old, so I'm not entirely sure to what safety standard they were constructed.

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>the idea that US positioning against China is aimed at genuinely improving human rights and not just using them as rhetorical cover. You must be saying this in jest, or you have been brainwashed. Without even touching on the interment camps, which are definitely worse than the US prison system; here is demonstrable evidence that the US cares more about global human rights than the Chinese.[1] [1] https://www.hrw.org…

That link doesn't actually mention the US at all? It points to a single example involving Zambia and China, which is definitely bad. There are an awfully long list of those around the world. That's what I mean - if you go looking for incidents where the Chinese are involved and build up a prosecution argument against them, that's a very different approach to trying to systematically and without favour deal with all h…

I'm saying that China consistently does a worse job of handling human rights than the United States. The post WWII global economic order has been mostly on the US; recently China has started to push out into Africa, plundering their fishing stocks and practicing neo-colonialism. I'm looking for places where China is pushing into an existing economic order and noticing how humans rights standards generally go backwards.

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I appreciate and welcome this move by RISC-V foundation. With semiconductor industry being used as a major soft power, countries which don't have such power betting on RISC-V[1], it's wise to move to a neutral country. My only gripe being, there aren't many neutral countries which can stand up to powerful militarized nations. Edit: The reason, I mentioned lack of military power of neutral countries is because of the…

I don't think anyone is going to invade Switzerland for a RISC cpu design

None needs to, it's opensource. They're moving to protect its freedom.

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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The intervention in Libya was due to a security council resolution proposed by the UK and France. It was run as a joint NATO effort.

> It was run as a joint NATO effort. All that says is that other “democratic” “human rights advocating” countries are also to blame.

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Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Does anyone have figures on how much money the US federal government has spent to develop the RISC architecture?

RISC-V originated from 5 year project called Parallel Computing Laboratory (Par Lab) at UC Berkeley. Par Lab received no direct federal funding. It was funded mainly by Intel and Microsoft and State of California.

This may have been true in the early years, but my understanding is that DARPA has played a large role in funding the development of RISC architecture. [1]

[1] https://riscv.org/2018/07/ieee-spectrum-article-darpa-plans-...

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